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Old Oct 15, 2019 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by geko29
If you're going to claim that assembly line work is a skilled profession requiring significant independent judgement, then we may as well stop now because we are not even speaking the same language.
It is a skilled profession if and when you consider the tolerances that modern vehicles are built to. That is not an opinion, or a claim, or simply making a play on words to bolster an arguement, but a fact. If you don't understand that, then I agree.....your conversation and mine are over. Have a nice day.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
I try to buy cars made outside of America. I know heresy right. Honestly, the crap made here falls apart far faster
Have you bought a BMW? Even the ones made in Germany have their share of problems. It also dodges the fact that Camrys and Accords built in the U.S. last almost forever.
Old Oct 15, 2019 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
the uaw gravy train is over but they refuse to recognize it and would rather tank the auto companies than adjust.
This is really the reality.

What the UAW is fighting for is THEIR survival
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Have you bought a BMW? Even the ones made in Germany have their share of problems. It also dodges the fact that Camrys and Accords built in the U.S. last almost forever.
I have an Odyssey made in the US and its fallen apart. So yeah...i do have experience. My IS350 built in Japan didn't have a single rattle after 60k miles. It is what it is...
Old Oct 15, 2019 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
It takes time to learn how to do any job. It takes time to learn how to make a latte; it takes time to learn how to work a cash register; it takes time to learn how to properly stock shelves; it takes time to learn how to work the floor waxer. You are using the term "unskilled" to mean that anyone can step into the job on day one and perform it as well as a 20 year veteran.

Unskilled means that it generally takes little to no training and requires little inititive on one's own. And, given a choice, if I were buying a vehicle, I would sure prefer it to be made by 20-year veterans than by 20-Minute Wonders.
Old Oct 15, 2019 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Have you bought a BMW? Even the ones made in Germany have their share of problems. It also dodges the fact that Camrys and Accords built in the U.S. last almost forever.
Agreed, 90's Toyota Camry's were every bit as good Kentucky built or Japan the same applies now. I'd say overwhelmingly quality is the result of good design and working closely with OEMs versus where the car is made.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
This is really the reality.

What the UAW is fighting for is THEIR survival
Exactly and the corrupt management (not just my opinion, they’re literally on trial) has simply manipulated the membership to support them so that they (union management) can continue to live their lavish, lazy, corrupt lifestyle.

How about this:

we examined union disclosure forms to figure out how many union presidents earned more than the average CEO in 2016. The results are striking: 153 union presidents made more than the typical CEO ($194,350) in gross salary.


https://laborpains.org/2017/05/17/un...ay-watch-2017/

and look at the union boss salaries in there, averaging half a million...
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Spot on. Remember that unions and organized crime go/went hand in hand. Remember Jimmy Hoffa? Rampant with corruption. RAMPANT.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
and look at the union boss salaries in there, averaging half a million...
Union bosses have not always been exemplary, either. But this time, it is not the bosses who are at the gist of the strike.....it is the employees themselves. They are absolutely fed up....and have had enough.
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The UAW plans, supports, and motivates the strike. The strike is entirely at the control of the UAW.

And what are they fed up about? Fed up about making the highest hourly wages in their industry by a wide margin?

They have had enough of being the highest paid workforce in the industry? Give me a break.
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The strike is mostly about plant closings, not hourly wages.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
It is a skilled profession if and when you consider the tolerances that modern vehicles are built to. That is not an opinion, or a claim, or simply making a play on words to bolster an arguement, but a fact. If you don't understand that, then I agree.....your conversation and mine are over. Have a nice day.
Yep, if you will not acknowledge the commonly-accepted definitions of types of labor, then we cannot have a conversation. Thank you for confirming this fact. Moving on.
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That just isnt true.Pay is at the center of the issue. The UAW wants GM to increase pay or do away with their lower tier pay scale for newer workers. So while pay at the top end isn't as much an issue, this very well is.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The strike is mostly about plant closings, not hourly wages.
I don't really agree. Money is a huge part of it. It's the first item on the list on the UAW web site.

Following a formal meeting of the GM Council consisting of local union leaders, the UAW announced he membership is going on strike at midnight Sunday to secure:
  • Fair Wages
  • Affordable Healthcare
  • Our Share of Profits
  • Job Security
  • A Defined Path to Permanent Seniority for Temps

https://uaw.org/auto-workers-go-stri...level-profits/
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Is this Strike affecting the Corvette C8 production?



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