Everything to you is slow. 3.8 0-60 for a huge sedan is amazing.

what 'other high end EVs' are you referring to besides a tesla s, and a lucid which isn't even out yet? Taycan/etron-gt are way smaller.

 

So basically every other high end EV is faster. The regular Model S base version does 0-60 in 3.1s and quarter mile in 10.9s. I thought it was slow because it wears the AMG badge and an AMG S63 does 0-60 in 3s flat. Someone pointed out that this is the baby AMG so I guess that is why it's not fast. The full AMG version should be around 3s flat to be competitive in performance.

 

a 911 turbo could only manage those kind of speeds a few years ago, so to call it 'slow' is a bit ludicrous (sic). yes, not as fast as an tesla model S, but also nothing like the same kind of vehicle (vastly more luxurious). for 99.99999% of people, 3.8 seconds 0-60 is faster than they will EVER want to go.

 

I would agree that the AMG versions of the car should challenge Tesla for speed. The goalposts have been moved.

As an example, the AMG 53 EQS is about the same 0-60 as an ordinary BMW 750, which should compare to the EQS 580 not any AMG version.

 

You can make the same argument for the ICE S class AMG though. They don't need to go that fast but its expected in an AMG right. If AMG came out with their latest and greatest S class and it could only go 0-60 in 3.8s, it would be the laughing stock of the automotive world. That was my reaction to the AMG EQS...3.8s for their latest and greatest is pathetic. Good thing it wasn't their latest and greatest but their mid-level trim. I fully expect the higher end EQS AMG to be sub 3s 0-60 because that is the new bar. Also, Mercedes will have a 2 year delay vs. the Plaid Model S for this new AMG EQS coming out...they should be able to exceed the performance characteristics of the Plaid given they have time to up the ante. I keep hearing about this German engineering prowess...lets bring it Germany

 

In an EV world the other attributes of the AMG are lost, the sound and feel and the raucousness....so all thats left is pure speed. The AMG EVs should be the fastest EV cars on the road...or really what are they?!?

 

I'm not sure where the 3.8 second 0-60 time is coming from but I have noticed some articles reporting it- that's actually the Taycan 4S time. The correct outlets are quoting the 3.4 seconds 0-60mph time. That's a small bit faster than the S580, .6 seconds faster than the BMW 750i, and .7 seconds faster than the EQS 580.

 

According to here https://www.caranddriver.com/mercedes-amg/s63 the AMG S63 (only available in coupe it says), 0-60 is 3.0 seconds. If the WAY BIGGER EQS AMG does 3.4, that's hardly a laughing stock, but i know everything to you is slow and 'pathetic' except teslas!

The plaid requires a ridicuous 5 minutes or whatever or 'preparation' to get ready and while it has rocket like speed when it is ready, it's simply not a luxury car so is not comparable to the eqs. It's a novelty car.

If i had to go cross country and could go in a plaid or an eqs, i'd 'suffer' in the pathetically slow eqs

 

The difference between drag strip mode with prep and cold Plaid mode is 0.2s in the quarter mile. So the regular plaid mode is only 9.4s at 149 miles vs 9.2s at 154 miles in fully prepped drag strip model. So basically it will still annihilate pretty much every production car ever built in its regular mode

But I'm not saying the 3.8s is pathetic compared to the Tesla, I'm saying it would be pathetic against the ICE S class AMG because it's easier to made the EV faster. It should be easy for Mercedes to build a sub 3s EV as it's just a matter of inverter output from battery to motor.

I will bet that they will release an EQS AMG in the sub 3s range for the high end model. In this class of car 3.8s is pretty pedestrian

 

And AMG cars aren't novelty cars? Come on...these cars should be the fastest cars on the road.

Then you wouldn't choose the AMG version of the EQS. Thats what AMG is supposed to be all about.

I know for some reason you are personally invested in this car, but you gotta be objective...these numbers are just not impressive or leading at all.

 

Again, you quoted the wrong number. It's 3.4 seconds for the EQS 53. What is Mercedes quoted time for the previous generation S63? 3.5 seconds for the sedan. The EQS 53 is slightly faster to 60mph using Mercedes' own times, and this isn't the 63 model.

Adjusted for the real Mercedes number of 3.4 seconds, it's right where it should be. This isn't the "63" model.

 

If it is 3.4 then I would agree thats better. I would argue the 53 model shouldnt exist at all.

 

Understood but I still expect many people will expect the full blown EQS AMG to be under sub 3s because everything is in relation to the competition. Yes the EQS is heavy but so is the Taycan and the Model S. Maybe my expectation of Mercedes is too high? I always expect them to be in the upper tier of performance with their AMG line.

 

We definitely agree there- that should be the expectation for the full blown 63 model.

 

AMG cars have always been fast, but are always heavy and big. i'm not sure they've ever been the "fastest cars on the road" compared to ferrari's, mclarens, veyrons, etc.
AMG cars are all 'fast', but have usually been about the visual and visceral impressions of them too.

sure i might, it probably looks better for one thing.

no idea what you're talking about by 'personally invested'. i have mad respect for mercedes benz, and i'm very impressed by what they're doing with the EQ line (heck i really liked the EQC but its range numbers weren't good enough for it to come to the u.s.). i have mad respect for porsche and audi too, and i love the Taycan and eTron GT. are any of these perfect, no? but there's no "personal investment" specifically in mercedes new electric vehicles, i'm just an enthusiast and like what i like, or i'm impressed by something even if it's not something i would buy.

you seem to think that unless i agree with you, i'm not being objective, lol.

so no, i don't think AMG has to be the fastest thing on the road, and i don't think they ever have been.

final thought, the german brands often under 'claim' their vehicles, and real world tests are even faster, as opposed to tesla, which does the opposite. has ANY test shown 1.99 0-60 is possible on a plaid without make excuses about the track, or weather, or whatever?