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Telluride vs Palisade...
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Most of these auto manufacturers have lost their minds in favor of cutsie crap like this. What do you gain by eliminating a shifter, bigger cup holders?! There is nothing intuitive about some of the push-button shifters (not all), AND the stupid shifter sticks that allow the vehicle to be left in Drive or Reverse when you think it’s in Park. It won’t be long before Big Brother intervenes & mandates intuitive shifters. These ideas are stupid. Pick a safe design that has been tested & proven to operates logically & safely & leave it alone. You won’t see a Jeep Grand Cherokee, Honda or Kia/Hyundai with these foolish shifters in my driveway. I had a vehicle with a rotary shifter & as **** as I am, I somehow I accidentally turned the **** to Reverse while driving, thinking I was turning the radio volume down. Mistakes happen & people will die before the buffoon auto designers understand this is not something to be messed with!
BMW's electronic shifter automatically shifts back to park if the car is shut off, and also if the car door is opened when the car is in gear. This is an incredibly easy fix--which is what I think Chrysler did (after the fact, of course).
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But you can't just lump all electronic shifters as being unsafe, with the mistake that Chrysler (and I'm assuming others) made.
BMW's electronic shifter automatically shifts back to park if the car is shut off, and also if the car door is opened when the car is in gear. This is an incredibly easy fix--which is what I think Chrysler did (after the fact, of course).
BMW's electronic shifter automatically shifts back to park if the car is shut off, and also if the car door is opened when the car is in gear. This is an incredibly easy fix--which is what I think Chrysler did (after the fact, of course).
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I am lumping them all together, because its just stupid to design every vehicle shifter differently. Not every vehicle has that safety feature like the BMW. How many people were injured & killed by the stupid shifter in the Jeeps?Remember when all imports had the wiper stalk on the right side of the steering column & you went to put your vehicle in gear & turned on the wipers? The headlight switch was usually somewhere on the left side of the dash & the wipers were god-knows-where. I’m glad the lights are standardized on the left on the turn signal stalk & the wipers on the right & cruise is on the steering wheel (somewhere). This is just like Betamax vs. VHS; both worked well, but which one was better (or advertised more)?! This has gotten the attention of Consumer Reports as they test nearly every car & even they get tripped up by stupid buttons. I hope the IIHS starts failing these cars because they’re so confusing.
Maybe we should just have one type of car that everyone has to buy? And one type of phone. And we can all wear standarized gray jumpsuits like movies that were set in the future where all choice was taken out of people's lives.
I hear what you are saying, but I don't need the govt protecting me from myself to the extent that there is a single mandated style of switch gear in every car.
You don't address the fact that someone driving a manual transmission vehicle could forget to put the car in gear and put on the handbrake after turning the car off. Although it's a dying breed, maybe the govt should outlaw the MT in the same set of regulations?
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Interesting anti-tech message coming from a guy named "Gadgetman".
Maybe we should just have one type of car that everyone has to buy? And one type of phone. And we can all wear standarized gray jumpsuits like movies that were set in the future where all choice was taken out of people's lives.
I hear what you are saying, but I don't need the govt protecting me from myself to the extent that there is a single mandated style of switch gear in every car.
Maybe we should just have one type of car that everyone has to buy? And one type of phone. And we can all wear standarized gray jumpsuits like movies that were set in the future where all choice was taken out of people's lives.
I hear what you are saying, but I don't need the govt protecting me from myself to the extent that there is a single mandated style of switch gear in every car.
Holy crap, no wonder car manufacturers don't cater too much to the enthusiasts. Look how much b itching and whining we're doing just on electro shifters. 
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Imagine they don't implement anything new and people would complain some of these car makers are stuck in the past, not willing to bring new tech, too conservative....
I know the Germans are willing to bring new stuff first and usually get a pass for their unreliability.
I have the new shifter on my new honda, me and my wife have adapted fine. I have the so-called horrific end of the world lexus track pad ('16), me and my wife have no issues with it. We had the mousepad ('14 GS), no issues there
The worst of the worst however was the 1st gen iDrive ('02) though.
Anyways, back to the Telluride vs. the Palisade, they both look great, I would lean a little more over to the pallisade since I like the taillights more. I would get either of these over the HL or pilot.
.Imagine they don't implement anything new and people would complain some of these car makers are stuck in the past, not willing to bring new tech, too conservative....
I know the Germans are willing to bring new stuff first and usually get a pass for their unreliability.
I have the new shifter on my new honda, me and my wife have adapted fine. I have the so-called horrific end of the world lexus track pad ('16), me and my wife have no issues with it. We had the mousepad ('14 GS), no issues there
The worst of the worst however was the 1st gen iDrive ('02) though.
Anyways, back to the Telluride vs. the Palisade, they both look great, I would lean a little more over to the pallisade since I like the taillights more. I would get either of these over the HL or pilot.
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Which, after years of learning, adopting, and refining, is one of the better systems on the market. I have a '14, and it's really easy to use, in many cases, without taking my eyes off the road.
I don't know how there's ever improvement if there's not innovation. Engineers don't always get it right the first time around; that doesn't mean that they shouldn't even bother improving.
I don't know how there's ever improvement if there's not innovation. Engineers don't always get it right the first time around; that doesn't mean that they shouldn't even bother improving.
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decades ago we had no lcd screens in cars, few safety features, cars were nowhere near as rigidly made with no crumple zones so when those 'battering rams' hit something without compacting the occupants had to fly all over and through stuff (ugh).
'traditional' shifters are MECHANICAL but in most new cars there's no linkage at all between the shifter and the transmission allowing for other form factors to change gears (or not really gears any more, just driving 'mode' (F/R/N/P).
without the traditional shifter new approaches allow room for more controls, better cup holders, storage spaces, wireless charging pads, etc. in a few years there will be few traditional shifters.
Which, after years of learning, adopting , and refining, is one of the better systems on the market. I have a '14, and it's really easy to use, in many cases, without taking my eyes off the road.
I don't know how there's ever improvement if there's not innovation. Engineers don't always get it right the first time around; that doesn't mean that they shouldn't even bother improving.
I don't know how there's ever improvement if there's not innovation. Engineers don't always get it right the first time around; that doesn't mean that they shouldn't even bother improving.
excellent post. pushing the envelope has risks, but without risks there's no reward.
decades ago we had no lcd screens in cars, few safety features, cars were nowhere near as rigidly made with no crumple zones so when those 'battering rams' hit something without compacting the occupants had to fly all over and through stuff (ugh).
'traditional' shifters are MECHANICAL but in most new cars there's no linkage at all between the shifter and the transmission allowing for other form factors to change gears (or not really gears any more, just driving 'mode' (F/R/N/P).
without the traditional shifter new approaches allow room for more controls, better cup holders, storage spaces, wireless charging pads, etc. in a few years there will be few traditional shifters.
decades ago we had no lcd screens in cars, few safety features, cars were nowhere near as rigidly made with no crumple zones so when those 'battering rams' hit something without compacting the occupants had to fly all over and through stuff (ugh).
'traditional' shifters are MECHANICAL but in most new cars there's no linkage at all between the shifter and the transmission allowing for other form factors to change gears (or not really gears any more, just driving 'mode' (F/R/N/P).
without the traditional shifter new approaches allow room for more controls, better cup holders, storage spaces, wireless charging pads, etc. in a few years there will be few traditional shifters.
(im having a hard time finding a nice dashboard of an 82 skylark on google image)
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