The dealer-added pinstripe isn't helping things on that car.

 

I agree, I have tried to like it because its really a great vehicle, but I agree I just don't like it either.

As for the QX60, I think the all new QX60 is way better looking:

 

Personally not a fan, but at least it doesn't have the ridiculous round tailpipes of the GV70. That thing looks ridiculous from behind.

 

that's the gv70 sport trim i believe that has the round pipes.
i think the regular ones are ovals.

 

i agree that looks sharp! not keen on the giant chrome blocks around the (likely fake) tailpipes though. too bad it's wrong wheel drive. but seriously, it doesn't matter for intended market, like the rx too.

 

Yeah I dont know what they were thinking there!

Yeah the new QX60 is on the shortlist to replace the Pacifica when the time comes.

 

LOL..yes indeed, circles vs. ovals. Can't say I like any of them, but yes, the ovals are not as bad as the round ones.

 

I totally agree with both of you.
Genesis has great RWD mechanicals, but they must get the styling right to sell like hot cakes.

Last year, RX sold 115k.
GLE 65k.
X5 60k.
GV80 only sold 20k in its first full year, and generally speaking for Genesis, if G70 and G90 is any indication, sales will be downhill for GV80 over the next 6 years.

 

The Genesis sketchy dealer network isn't helping things out for them either.

 

It's not the styling holding them back - that's actually been positively received. Their dealer network and limited supply (SUVs) continue to be their worst enemies. Their sales tripled in 2021 (not hard with these recent vehicle debuts) and they have less dealers nowadays.

 

Honestly the QX60 looks like an uglier, FWD version of the Lincoln Aviator.

They were literally production capped at 2K units a month for export. Same issue as Palisade and Telluride. And LOL, the RX isn't even in the same segment, just like the ES was never in the same segment as the 5 Series and E-Class.

Exactly.

Supposedly we'll see Genesis start building vehicles at the Hyundai Alabama plant this year starting with the electric GV70. That should help increase production, though if Hyundai was smart they would start building the Palisade here too. Even before the pandemic and chip woes, dealerships were commanding absurd markups for that and the Telluride.

 

Let’s make a bet.
Just like G90 went down and down, G70 goes down and down, G80 goes down and down, and GV80 goes down and down.
I suspect forthcoming G90 will not make a good debut either.

If my prediction is wrong, then I will personally congratulate you and TangoRed.

 

I didn't make any and am not interested in "predictions", I merely stated a fact. You can choose to ignore that fact, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

Also, G70 sold almost 4,000 more units last year than it did in 2020. G80 3K more than 2020. The only time Genesis sales truly went "down" was during their Hyundai dealer network divorce fiasco from 2018.

 

WAY better space inside than an Aviator though, and cheaper optioned similarly.

If I were buying a vehicle for me to drive daily between the two, I would choose the Aviator. As a nice family hauler, the QX60.

 

The QX60 better be cheaper, it's a transverse FWD platform. And you can't get it with a turbo 6 cylinder.

For ownership, then yeah the QX60 is probably better. I think the Aviator is the first truly "premium" vehicle Lincoln has put out in decades. It's a shame that it came off the assembly line with the typical Ford factory woes which I'm not sure have been fully rectified.