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Old Sep 10, 2019 | 09:57 AM
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Thanks for the confirmation

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My CX-9 has something similar, but it's much smaller (ignore the red circles). The spare tire, scissor jack, tire iron, recovery eyelet and recovery straps are stored underneath this area.
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My Santa Fe is similar to this--good storage under the cargo floor.
My sister has a santa fe also, I never even checked out the trunk area
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Old Sep 10, 2019 | 11:20 AM
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2019 Santa Fe. Good to carry groceries. The spare is under the car.
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Follow up review from autoblog... very positive.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/03/...riving-review/
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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Follow up review from autoblog... very positive.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/12/03/...riving-review/

A couple of comments on the article:

both the adaptive cruise control and steering assist elements continued to work flawlessly in heavy rain. Lexussystems have repeatedly informed me they cannot work in such conditions.
Lexus may have a point. Even if the Hyundai system does work well, it is generally not a good idea to use cruise-control in wet or slippery condition. That has been the advice from experts for decades.

https://lifehacker.com/why-you-shoul...ain-1572057920

https://www.allstate.com/blog/drivin...-myth-or-fact/

It's also noteworthy that the Palisade's safety aids don't drive you nuts with constant beeping (Subaru) or false alarms (Honda). If you're so irritated that you shut these systems off, who cares if they're standard?


In my book, simply make them a option instead of being standard...that way, the base price of the vehicle could be lowered, and those of us who actually look at the road when we are driving don't have to pay for equipment we don't want or need.

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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
A couple of comments on the article:



Lexus may have a point. Even if the Hyundai system does work well, it is generally not a good idea to use cruise-control in wet or slippery condition. That has been the advice from experts for decades.

https://lifehacker.com/why-you-shouldn-t-use-cruise-control-in-the-rain-1572057920

https://www.allstate.com/blog/driving-safety-myth-or-fact/




In my book, simply make them a option instead of being standard...that way, the base price of the vehicle could be lowered, and those of us who actually look at the road when we are driving don't have to pay for equipment we don't want or need.
I have no doubt that you aren't a wonderful driver but what about the other guy(s)? These aids can help avoid the unforeseen. That's why they're called accidents. Personally as I've gotten older I'll take 'em if they can help avoid an accident.
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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 07:12 AM
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I have no doubt that you aren't a wonderful driver
Thanks, but driving safely is usually no big deal, and, with some common sense and attention, one does not have to have Einstein's IQ to be able to do it......although today's traffic, particularly in places like D.C. and L.A., is making it more difficult all the time. If you yourself watch the road, you're probably as good or better a driver then I am. I'm a licensed pilot/ground-instructor, and, trust me, in most cases, safe flying is far more complex....although, I admit, I did most of my flying in the days before computers took over everything in the cockpit, too.

but what about the other guy(s)?
Simple...make these aids an option. Those who need them (or want them) can opt for them.



But, IMO, it goes beyond that. A lot of people are just plain lazy. They are capable of being good drivers, but simply don't want to pay attention.....they'd rather yak their cell phones.

But, anyhow, sorry if I took the thread off-topic from the Palisade. It is not the only vehicle to going in that direction....more and more vehicles are making these electronic aids standard.....indeed, the government requires some of them.

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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 08:30 AM
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The excellent driving aids are a big reason why the Palisade is so appealing IMHO. I have heard multiple times that they're some of the best in the business right now.

As for the Lexus systems working in the rain, they do work in the rain. Lexus' system shuts off when the wipers are placed on high just as a policy. Keep the wipers off high and they work just fine.
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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The excellent driving aids are a big reason why the Palisade is so appealing IMHO. I have heard multiple times that they're some of the best in the business right now.

As for the Lexus systems working in the rain, they do work in the rain. Lexus' system shuts off when the wipers are placed on high just as a policy. Keep the wipers off high and they work just fine.
Now that they are becoming more commonplace it's interesting and helpful to see them mentioned in reviews. It helps potential buyers.
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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
In my book, simply make them a option instead of being standard...that way, the base price of the vehicle could be lowered, and those of us who actually look at the road when we are driving don't have to pay for equipment we don't want or need.
I could not disagree more. You can't just will someone to be a good driver, even though everyone thinks they themselves are good drivers. These systems save lives--no one declines to get a safety feature thinking "Well, I'll probably end up needing this, but I'll save a few bucks and not get it."

The same arguments were made against mandatory seatbelts and airbags.
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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
I could not disagree more. You can't just will someone to be a good driver, even though everyone thinks they themselves are good drivers. These systems save lives--no one declines to get a safety feature thinking "Well, I'll probably end up needing this, but I'll save a few bucks and not get it."

The same arguments were made against mandatory seatbelts and airbags.
I agree completely. These systems make the roads safer for everybody, and they make cars safer for their occupants.
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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Thanks, but driving safely is usually no big deal, and, with some common sense and attention, one does not have to have Einstein's IQ to be able to do it......although today's traffic, particularly in places like D.C. and L.A., is making it more difficult all the time. If you yourself watch the road, you're probably as good or better a driver then I am. I'm a licensed pilot/ground-instructor, and, trust me, in most cases, safe flying is far more complex....although, I admit, I did most of my flying in the days before computers took over everything in the cockpit, too.



Simple...make these aids an option. Those who need them (or want them) can opt for them.



But, IMO, it goes beyond that. A lot of people are just plain lazy. They are capable of being good drivers, but simply don't want to pay attention.....they'd rather yak their cell phones.

But, anyhow, sorry if I took the thread off-topic from the Palisade. It is not the only vehicle to going in that direction....more and more vehicles are making these electronic aids standard.....indeed, the government requires some of them.
You miss the point of why these new safety features are standard. They are standard so that consumer no longer has to make the choice, given the chance, most consumers would rather save the money and not pay (America loves cheap). Hyundai offering standard features puts their cars or suvs in line with companies that are already doing the standard safety stuff (such as Toyota and Honda). So when a consumer arrives at the Hyundai dealer and asks if this car has that, they can then say it is standard, thus no choice needed. Unlike GM, they offermost safety features as a la carte extra cost option, this puts GM at a uncompetitive disadvantage for consumers who cross shop.

Most people have the common sense to obtain these features for a new car, but most don’t see the added cost as something they will be willing to pay for.

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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
given the chance, most consumers would rather save the money and not pay (America loves cheap).
So fine....give them the chance, and do without. .

Most people have the common sense to obtain these features for a new car, but most don’t see the added cost as something they will be willing to pay for.
Like the people you referred to, I specifically special-ordered my Lacrosse without several of those features because I didn't want to pay for them....and I did simply not need them. I still don't, going on almost 3 years later...I'm not sorry that I didn't get them, and saved some money while doing so.

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Originally Posted by tex2670
The same arguments were made against mandatory seatbelts and airbags.
Mandatory seatbelts made more sense than mandatory airbags...the bags themselves have caused a number of deaths and injuries over the years, or, in some cases, simply didn't go off.
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Old Dec 4, 2019 | 11:05 AM
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Back to the Palisade (we're getting off-topic), anybody have any sales-figures yet based on the trim lines? I ask because the different versions of the Palisade, at least from what I've seen, seems to have less-differentiation in the interior and trim than the sister Kia Telluride.

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Airbags have saved FAR more lives than they’ve hurt.
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