But you are not safer On the road.

If recall. You don’t believe in ABS? Do you think the new Palisade should have ABS as optional?

 

As I have bought newer and newer cars with more and more of this technology I have learned that things I used to think were "silly" really arent silly and contribute to your overall safety and enjoyment of the car.

These things include traction and skid control, blind spot monitoring, backup cameras, surround view cameras, sonar parking assist, pre-collision intervention systems, lane keep assist. They just make everybody a safer, better driver which only is a benefit to those using the roads.

I'd rank myself as an excellent driver. I've taken advanced driving courses, I have a lot of experience, an extremely good track record. I'd be lying to you if I told you my car with the PCS hasn't beeped and made me pay attention to a car in front of me slowing faster than I thought. When you factor in that more and more drivers are distracted and using cell phones and whatever, this tech is way more important. If the guy coming up to me at a red light is looking at his phone, I like the fact that his car will alert him that hes approaching me quickly or even better stop his car before he can hit me whether he realizes hes going to or not. I can shake my fist at the sky and say "he should be paying more attention!" but thats just not reality. People are becoming MORE distracted not less.

I look back at the times I have been rear ended. If those drivers were driving my car, those rear endings would have been impossible. The car wouldnt let that happen. How can that be a bad thing?!?

Bringing it back to the Palisade, these technologies are standard because thats what consumers want. If enough consumers wanted low package cars without this tech, there wouldnt be a competition amongst carmakers to see who can offer the best most comprehensive safety system standard. The fact that the Palisade offers so much at such a great price is the whole reason why its so compelling.

 

Just keep in mind that this is the same argument that many elderly drivers make when all of their loved ones tell them they should stop driving. I'm not saying this to suggest that you should give up your license; but I am saying it's a bad argument. "I'm a great driver; I don't need this stuff." Until you do--an accident might not be your fault.

These systems react much faster than any human can react. You can try to distinguish seatbelts and airbags all you want--but it's exactly the same.

My Santa Fe has yet to trigger emergency braking--but I have gotten warnings when cars are slowing down to turn, before the braking kicked in. Sometimes "stuff" happens--you haven't had someone pull out in front of you in your Buick yet---great. But will you really be so proud that you saved money if someone does, and you are just not able to stop in time? It's the other driver's fault--great! You may still have injuries and a damaged car, and a hassle with the insurance company.

Now--what if it wasn't a car that pulled out in front of you, but it was a kid running into the street? Again--not your fault. But would that be enough for you to make you feel ok about it? It wouldn't for me.

Having seen Hyundai's safety systems in action, I'd have a really hard time getting another car without them.

 

I drive the new Avalon a lot. It has all of the new safety features. The PCS has only engaged once for me, as I was driving on a country road, I was coming up a small hill, on the other side was a transport truck stopped in the lane making a tight right turn, the Avalon went "BRAKE" on the heads up display and dash to give me an early warning as I had no idea the truck was there. I don't see how anyone can say this system is NOT beneficial

I also think consumers also need a "push" to get these safety items. By making it "standard", you eliminate and need of discussion for the family walking into Hyundai to buy their new Palisade...then can move on to better things to discuss.

 

Never heard of this. What systems shut off?

 

No offense, but when it's time for me to hang up the keys, Tex, I'll know it. I'm not the type to try and do things beyond my capability, both as a driver and a pilot.


Yep, sure did....a number of times. I was ready for it.

The obstacle-avoidance-systems also have limitations. They operate mostly on radio/radar frequencies that have difficulty seeing around sharp blind corners or over the tops of sharp hills.....you still have to remain alert, even with them in use.

Not pride, Tex...you used the wrong word. I dont believe in pride...pride gets people in trouble. Let's just say it's common sense.

Well, like it or not, they are probably going to all be standard soon anyway...especially with self-driving cars on the horizon.

 

That's a moot point. ABS is now (and has been) standard in all new Amwerican-spec vehicles by government action.

Actually, I do like ABS..but I've noticed that it doesn't help stopping distances any....it only keeps the wheels from locking up and/or being unseeable when braking. ABS or no ABS, your tires are only going to have so much (available) stopping-traction on a slippery surface....and that's it.

Now...can we please get back to the Palisade before the mods close the thread or start deleting posts? I'm done with extraneous talk on safety systems.

 

Just looked at Hyundiai.com It is actually disappointing blind spot monitoring is not standard on the new Palisade. Rear cross assist is not either. Dumb on the part of Hyundai to cheap out on that.

 

And so do humans.

No one is advocating driving with your eyes closed and letting the safety systems do all the work.

 

Odds are that you'll be giving those "savings" back when it comes time to trade in the car. A majority of consumers will want them in a late model used car so the value whether a direct sale or a trade in will be negatively effected.

 

Ummm.... I didn't use the word "pride". But...I'm sure your eyes see better when you are driving than in front of the computer.

 

Hyundai products, until recently, had a worse depreciation rate in the U.S. than they actually deserved from their build quality and long warranty. It will be interesting to see if the Palisade bucks that trend or not.

 

If you have radar cruise on, it cancels. You can use regular cruise with the wipers on high, but not radar cruise.

 

not necessarily. the cost of the parts may be less than the cost savings of simplifying the manufacturing line, inventory, for dealers, etc.

nice virtue signalling.

no big deal but getting more difficult all the time... nicely contradicting yourself.

again you're speaking for YOU without considering the thousands of other driver scenarios. those who still work, often LONG hours, those with kids in the car, those uber drivers, less experienced drivers, and yes, the blunter knives in the drawer all WANT and NEED all the safety features they can get. it is absolutely not 'no big deal'.

most people i know want as many safety features as possible although some don't like a more active intrusion like lane keep assist where the drive will feel the steering wheel move itself.

so easy for you to know better than vast corporations with manufacturing, marketing, distribution and other considerations.

feel better now?

you may have saved money on the purchase but your vehicle will be pummeled in trade-in value for not having those features.

so are you saying you'd rather not have had to pay for airbags in your cars?

good point.

 

So I was able to go drive a Palisade Limited today, found one on a dealer lot which is rare. Markup is $700 over MSRP...which Im sure I can find one somewhere that will sell it to me for MSRP. Leases arent great, there is 1,000 in lease cash and the residual is good, but the MFs arent great. Payments all in are mid $700s which is pretty bad on a $48k vehicle...

While I really, really like the Palisade, I don't like it for $750 a month, lots of other vehicles come into play there. Could buy it, but Im not sure it would be a long term keeper.