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or about ~$10k more than a g90, and the g90 is probably a foot longer, so tons more room inside.
enjoy the e450, no doubt a fine car, but quite different.
That is why I said I would pay extra. A nicely equipped awd E450 is 68-70k, sure you can run them higher, but at that point, might as well get a base S class. Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i just did a build on mb usa for e450 with those options and packages needed to be like a g90 base (lol). the e450 came out to just under $80k. or about ~$10k more than a g90, and the g90 is probably a foot longer, so tons more room inside.enjoy the e450, no doubt a fine car, but quite different.
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Most people only associate the ES with Toyota bc they are similar. I never hear people compare the IS, RX, LS, RC to a Toyota. Originally Posted by Sulu
Not any more tiring than "Ew, an overpriced Toyota" as a response to the Lexus brand and its flagship, the LS.
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Most people only associate the ES with Toyota bc they are similar. I never hear people compare the IS, RX, LS, RC to a Toyota.
I have heard folks mistakenly call the IS a tarted-up Corolla. "Yeah, ... no." is the correct response, if you were wondering. Originally Posted by TXgearhead
Most people only associate the ES with Toyota bc they are similar. I never hear people compare the IS, RX, LS, RC to a Toyota.
But yeah I drove the G80, and I have had a rental Elantra and a rental Sonata. Sure I can see the resemblance in the infotainment and the interior design, but the material quality and the way the G80 drives are on another level from any mainstream vehicle, outside of near-luxury or full-size sedans. Same as Lexus. Once in a while you're reminded of the Toyota roots, but it's not like I can drive a Camry and then an ES and honestly think they feel the same.
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And you would be driving a much smaller car that doesn't ride or drive anywhere as nice as the G90.Originally Posted by TXgearhead
Its a Hyundai. I would get an E450 with air suspension option and acoustic package instead. I am willing to pay extra to not drive a Hyundai.
I'd take a G90 over an E Class every day of the week.
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Most people only associate the ES with Toyota bc they are similar. I never hear people compare the IS, RX, LS, RC to a Toyota.
Only all the time lolMost people only associate the ES with Toyota bc they are similar. I never hear people compare the IS, RX, LS, RC to a Toyota.
Seriously, my friends call my car the "fancy Toyota" constantly. The LS is to Toyota exactly what the G90 is to Hyundai.
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I got that about my GS the other day.
"It's just a dressed up Toyota anyway".
"It's just a dressed up Toyota anyway".
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I like it, bold in some ways and restrained in another
The sunken in headlights are little trippy.
The sunken in headlights are little trippy.
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I'd take a G90 over an E Class every day of the week.
Yeah, that's pretty much a no-brainer, though the E-Class does excel in some features, like safety and ride/handling. Originally Posted by SW17LS
And you would be driving a much smaller car that doesn't ride or drive anywhere as nice as the G90.I'd take a G90 over an E Class every day of the week.
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I'd take a G90 over an E Class every day of the week.
Only all the time lol
Seriously, my friends call my car the "fancy Toyota" constantly. The LS is to Toyota exactly what the G90 is to Hyundai.
You are entitled to your own opinion. I have already said mine. Originally Posted by SW17LS
And you would be driving a much smaller car that doesn't ride or drive anywhere as nice as the G90.I'd take a G90 over an E Class every day of the week.
Only all the time lol
Seriously, my friends call my car the "fancy Toyota" constantly. The LS is to Toyota exactly what the G90 is to Hyundai.
I think stating “the LS is to Toyota exactly what the G90 is to Hyundai” is a disservice to the LS. Only recently did Genesis rebrand itself. The Genesis brand hasn’t even had the time to establish itself. If you ask a random person on the street what a G90 was, they wouldn’t have a clue. The LS is a respected and accomplished lux sedan.
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You are entitled to your own opinion. I have already said mine.
I think stating “the LS is to Toyota exactly what the G90 is to Hyundai” is a disservice to the LS. Only recently did Genesis rebrand itself. The Genesis brand hasn’t even had the time to establish itself. If you ask a random person on the street what a G90 was, they wouldn’t have a clue. The LS is a respected and accomplished lux sedan.
Fast-forward 15 years. I actually think people will remember the G80 and G70 more. The G90 doesn't seem as remarkable in terms of value or execution as those do. Maybe the refresh will remedy that.Originally Posted by TXgearhead
You are entitled to your own opinion. I have already said mine.
I think stating “the LS is to Toyota exactly what the G90 is to Hyundai” is a disservice to the LS. Only recently did Genesis rebrand itself. The Genesis brand hasn’t even had the time to establish itself. If you ask a random person on the street what a G90 was, they wouldn’t have a clue. The LS is a respected and accomplished lux sedan.
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Impossible to tell, but the LS shocked the large sedan segment back in the day. We will see if that holds true for the Genesis lineup. IMO, they should have gone with a name with was unrelated to a Hyundai model.Originally Posted by arentz07
Fast-forward 15 years. I actually think people will remember the G80 and G70 more. The G90 doesn't seem as remarkable in terms of value or execution as those do. Maybe the refresh will remedy that.
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I've been an LS driver for 20 years...its the truth. When we got our first LS in 1998, Lexus had existed for 9 years and plenty of people didn't know what it was or what a Lexus was, I remember constantly thwarting off claims it was a rebadged Avalon, people couldn't believe it had a V8. My Aunt thought it was an "Alexis", she had no idea what a "Lexus" was. Originally Posted by TXgearhead
You are entitled to your own opinion. I have already said mine.
I think stating “the LS is to Toyota exactly what the G90 is to Hyundai” is a disservice to the LS. Only recently did Genesis rebrand itself. The Genesis brand hasn’t even had the time to establish itself. If you ask a random person on the street what a G90 was, they wouldn’t have a clue. The LS is a respected and accomplished lux sedan.
I think stating “the LS is to Toyota exactly what the G90 is to Hyundai” is a disservice to the LS. Only recently did Genesis rebrand itself. The Genesis brand hasn’t even had the time to establish itself. If you ask a random person on the street what a G90 was, they wouldn’t have a clue. The LS is a respected and accomplished lux sedan.
Just because Genesis is not as far along as Lexus is doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Genesis. And yes, the G90 is made by Hyundai on a premium luxury only RWD platform and is built to a much higher standard than "Hyundai" branded vehicles. Which is the exact same description you could give to the LS.
We're all entitled to our opinion, but my guess is you've never driven a G90. It really is an excellent product, every bit the peer of the LS and at a great price.
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To be fair, I haven't either, but I agree with what you said based on my experience with the G80. And that G80 was originally sold as a Hyundai-badged product!Originally Posted by SW17LS
We're all entitled to our opinion, but my guess is you've never driven a G90. It really is an excellent product, every bit the peer of the LS and at a great price.
I recently was shopping the Genesis G80 and am impressed with the brand. What's really holding the Genesis brand back right now is their dealer network. If you look at sales, they are meager at best. This is due to problems and delays in getting their dealer network in place and up to speed. Some areas are a little further ahead than others but overall, inventories and service are hit or miss. Once things are resolved, and they get their first SUV things should improve and the brand will move ahead.
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I likew the G80 also, but the G90 is a much better done product, as the next gen G80 will beOriginally Posted by arentz07
To be fair, I haven't either, but I agree with what you said based on my experience with the G80. And that G80 was originally sold as a Hyundai-badged product!
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Just because Genesis is not as far along as Lexus is doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Genesis. And yes, the G90 is made by Hyundai on a premium luxury only RWD platform and is built to a much higher standard than "Hyundai" branded vehicles. Which is the exact same description you could give to the LS.
We're all entitled to our opinion, but my guess is you've never driven a G90. It really is an excellent product, every bit the peer of the LS and at a great price.
Everything is wrong with Genesis right now, they sell peanuts and are one of the reasons Hyundai profits are down. They sold total of 372 units of G70, G80 and G90.Originally Posted by SW17LS
I've been an LS driver for 20 years...its the truth. When we got our first LS in 1998, Lexus had existed for 9 years and plenty of people didn't know what it was or what a Lexus was, I remember constantly thwarting off claims it was a rebadged Avalon, people couldn't believe it had a V8. My Aunt thought it was an "Alexis", she had no idea what a "Lexus" was.Just because Genesis is not as far along as Lexus is doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Genesis. And yes, the G90 is made by Hyundai on a premium luxury only RWD platform and is built to a much higher standard than "Hyundai" branded vehicles. Which is the exact same description you could give to the LS.
We're all entitled to our opinion, but my guess is you've never driven a G90. It really is an excellent product, every bit the peer of the LS and at a great price.