Arguably, the hexagonal licence plate surround, and the protubering upper line angle of the tail lights are similar to the 4.5GS?
These days, it is normal for manufacturers cheat off each other.
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7ES is an evolution, with a swoopy sexy ****.
However, I'm not into those long FWD nose cones any more.

 

Well he did make a good point - traditionally a "driver's car" is more focused on providing enjoyment to the driver than it is on providing comfort or amenities.

Curious about the Altima. I would think the Maxima would be a more natural ES alternative, given it's a bit more premium than the Altima.

 

I'm not sure what does being Asian have to do with fitting 7 people?

But back on topic - I do understand what you are saying. "Fun" is subjective. And being a car enthusiasts comes in many forms. But I wasn't agreeing with him to disagree with him. We are talking about two different things here. I was strictly talking about what's a "driver's car" and what is a "driver's car" suppose to be - not what a "car enthusiast" is.

I still maintain - a "driver's car" is a car that thrills the drive and focus on driving above all else. Why else would it be called a "driver's car"?
I just believe claiming a comfortable, dull experiencing car to be a "driver's car" is like claiming microwavable dinners as cooking.

 

 

I never said a comfortable and dull experience isn't rewarding. Driving a Lexus LS is quite rewarding. Its relaxing and beautiful. But is it a "driver's car"? No.

I said a comfortable and dull experience can't be a "driver's car".

 

yes i did think that new altima rear looks like a gs.

 

As in we arent as tall or burger loving.

 

Well, I have a new favorite word...

 

Nobody wants the ES to be a "driver's car" and it was never intended to be one. The LS was never intended to be one as well. The GS was supposed to be that and nobody bought it after 3yrs on the market, same with the RC and LC.

 

That's very, very racial stereotyping... and possibly a racist thing to say.

You should have said, "Our GX fits 7 because my family and I aren't tall people." By removing "family and I aren't tall people" and put in Asian. You are playing on the racial stereotype that all Asians are short.

I never said people want the ES to be a "driver's car" and I know it was never intended to me. I know the LS was never intended to be one as well.

I was stating - that the Lexus LS while its a relaxing and amazing car to drive due to its luxurious nature, its not a "driver's car". This was point I was making because people are claiming a "driver's car" can be comfortable, boring and dull.

 

Interesting Indian review

2018 Lexus ES 300h | First Drive Review | Autocar…: https://youtu.be/OIPgkZMRzKA