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Old Dec 29, 2017 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Actually, Saab didn't have many loyal customers in the U.S. It was a niche-brand at best (much different from Chevy, Buick, or Cadillac), and GM's bone-headed management screwed the brand up even more by taking the traditional Swedish-ness out of it and trying to Americanize it...it simply didn't work. Olds folded for a somewhat different reason.....they stopped selling the Delta 88s, 98s, and Cutlasses that most of its customers wanted, and replaced them with the Aurora, Achieva, and Dust-Buster minivan.


Anyhow, back to the new Traverse (don't want to get too far off-topic), I might take a test-drive next month and see how it compares to the Enclave...it shares the same 3.6L and 9-speed drivetrain. Car and Driver was very impressed with the High Country version....and, at 53K, it's basically Chevy's vision of the Avenir.
Gonna give the Car and Driver review a read.
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Old Dec 29, 2017 | 06:41 PM
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Gonna give the Car and Driver review a read.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review
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Old Dec 29, 2017 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Merely relying on prior loyal customers, rather than trying to bring in new customers to the brand, is not a good strategy. Ok--it works for the F-150, but an automaker can't put all its eggs in one basket.
Your example of f150 isn't valid. Ford has made MAJOR upgrades on each of its recent generations with completely different engines, massive interior and nvh improvements, and most recently switching to all aluminum bodies which was great leadership and radical.
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Old Dec 29, 2017 | 11:13 PM
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The reason GM does incentives and discounting is that they know if they have a hit on their hands, a hot car, they can sell it for or very near MSRP for that first year or two. After that they can discount it a bit more with incentives. The way GM does their pricing, it gives them more flexibility to adjust the price based on demand. They've also figured out to the point where different regions of the US get different incentives based on what sells there. IE you can probably get a better deal on a pickup truck in the NYC area vs some place like Murfreesboro TN because GM can't move pickups in a crowded city area, but down in the rich suburban south, everybody wants them a fancy Sierra Denali or Z71 Silverado to flaunt their wealth, thus incentives on trucks are higher in NYC than in Murfreesboro.
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Old Dec 30, 2017 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Aron9000
The reason GM does incentives and discounting is that they know if they have a hit on their hands, a hot car, they can sell it for or very near MSRP for that first year or two. After that they can discount it a bit more with incentives. The way GM does their pricing, it gives them more flexibility to adjust the price based on demand. They've also figured out to the point where different regions of the US get different incentives based on what sells there. IE you can probably get a better deal on a pickup truck in the NYC area vs some place like Murfreesboro TN because GM can't move pickups in a crowded city area, but down in the rich suburban south, everybody wants them a fancy Sierra Denali or Z71 Silverado to flaunt their wealth, thus incentives on trucks are higher in NYC than in Murfreesboro.
Some good points, Aron.
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