SW17LS

I haven't...haven't driven a Supra either. The Vette just doesn't appeal to me, Supra looks like more fun to me.

I don't like the 2 series. Not looking for a daily driver.

Stroock639

the C7 is similarly understated, a few people have gotten low 10s on street tires

http://dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Corve...lip-28250.html
http://dragtimes.com/Chevrolet--Corv...ag-Racing.html


and fair point, here's a C6 with street tires... it also only weighs 3100 lbs which helps a lot obviously

http://dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-Corve...lip-14084.html

ST430

Funny how folks try to knick pick at the Zupra's hp and acceleration . I have a 600hp nearly 10 second Q60 RS and I'm very excited about this MKV. Once the markups are over, I will trade in my Q for it. A sports car is not entirely about acceleration, unless you just like bench racing on the internet....

plex

iTrader: (11)

You nailed it on the head. I laugh when I see it get bashed because of it's acceleration and that it won't make 1000HP on stock block, the internet bench racers are judging it on straight line acceleration and what it can make on a dyno. Even the MKIV was not built as a straight line car. How are you liking the Q60 RS? They have grown on me and I've seen them respond to mods very well. They are sleepers imo especially the Q50 RS, if I ever get one tags would say ISF LOL

Bob04

Anybody discussing this car here at this point is "internet bench racing", since nobody here has owned or even driven it.

And straight line acceleration isn't everything, but it damn sure means a lot. Otherwise, it wouldn't be the first performance statistic you see for just about every performance car ever introduced.

Kense

I have a JB4 Q50 RS and nobody knows what it is which I actually enjoy. It looks sort of fast but I don't think anybody expects it to be as fast as it is. I've only been revved on twice. Once by a Hell Cat and the Other by a Focus RS. I beat the Focus pretty bad and The Hell Cat was just for fun and I obviously lost pretty bad. With the JB +6 PSI I'm probably putting out 420 HP to the Wheels. A few members with a similar set up have timed their 0-60's at 4 seconds flat Not bad.

nicedude

Everybody talking about the 0-60 number when the most impressive stat was the 1.07g it pulled. Forget the Cayman, that is approaching 911 territory. Supra byke!

It took Toyota to finally make a pure BMW sports car. Without a manual at that. Sheesh.

With that said, will it have BMW depreciation? Asking for a friend.

Stroock639

1.07g cornering is too high for a supra, should be 1.07g accelerating lol

coolsaber

IMHO, stats are not really an issue, its the fact that most folks who are Supra fans, wanted an in house design ground up. Being one of Toyotas harshest critics, performance wise its got BMW DNA, which is a performance pioneer. Nothing in house that Toyota has revealed is quite like the motor in the Supra, and if they kept the modules the same and have not implemented their own locks on the ECUs, the aftermarket will be HUGE on this.

The biggest knock if anything I can find, is if Toyota decided to forgo reliability and/or tuneability for performance, however thats something for the 2nd or 10th owner of these things to worry about, 1st owner probably wont have an issue, or care.

RNM GS3

Watch the review done by Carlos Lago from Edmunds and former MotorTrend.
He basically said it was good car but felt like a typical BMW but had lighter and slower steering feel.

I expect it will sell well in first year and dealers will charge over MSRP.

Nothing about the car is Toyota DNA except styling. Supra heritage deserved better imo - i have no issue with BMW partnership as long as engine and other parts were unique from your everyday X5, 3series etc

Benoit

Breaking news : Auto Motor & Sport quick reviewed the Supra. They said the car is definitely faster as the BMW Z4, but they didn't gave number to back that claim.

Jaylyons1

I believe BMW was only claiming a 0-60 time of 5.2 seconds for the Z4 where Toyota was claiming 4.1. Car and Driver managed a 3.8 second run in the Supra. Haven't seen numbers on the Z4 yet. It's clear how much different these cars are aside from the foundation (and interior).

RNM GS3

This is incorrect.

BMW originally claimed 0-60 of 4.3sec for Z4 as they always underrate power #s and 0-60 times.

After Toyota published Supra 0-60, BMW revised Z4 time to 3.9sec!

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/01/14/b...r-the-z4-m40i/

Jaylyons1

I honestly have no clue where I was looking for that previous number. Must have been the previous Z4. After reading a bit more, I find it entertaining that BMW changed their claims. I'm actually a bit hopeful that the car is tested and doesn't even break the 4 second barrier.

MattyG

That 5.2 time is for the sDrive30i - the turbo 4 which is rated at 255 hp. The Z4 m40i is much faster. Meanwhile, Toyota is sticking to its official 4.1 seconds 0-60 time. IMHO these two siblings are very much alike. Early reviews of both say that they are balanced, sharp handlers. The Supra is the value leader though. The Supra comes with the inline six right now for $50K or so. To step up to the six in the Z4 you pay an extra $13K for starters.

Yeah, no way BMW is going to let the Toyota boys have all the glory, what with its own hardware sitting under the body of the Supra. In testing it's going to be interesting to see if the Z4 beats its official 0-60 time.