Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova
View Poll Results: 2027 S or 7?
2027 S Class
31
73.81%
2027 7 Series
6
14.29%
Other/Neither and state in a post which flagship
6
14.29%
I still can’t believe Mike is back
6
14.29%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

2027 S Class or 7 Series?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 23, 2026 | 09:06 PM
  #31  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,092
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

I like both the Range Rover and the Range Rover Sport.
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2026 | 09:10 PM
  #32  
swajames's Avatar
swajames
Lead Lap
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 3,902
Likes: 1,514
From: San Diego, CA
Default

All my Jaguars, Land Rovers and Range Rovers have actually been among the most reliable cars I've personally owned. With that said, there's a recall out today to address an issue with the DC-DC converter on models with the mild hybrid causing problems with the 12v system. Still unclear if it's an OTA fix or whether a trip to the dealer will be required.
Reply
Old Apr 23, 2026 | 10:14 PM
  #33  
Striker223's Avatar
Striker223
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 17,924
Likes: 1,702
From: Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by swajames
All my Jaguars, Land Rovers and Range Rovers have actually been among the most reliable cars I've personally owned. With that said, there's a recall out today to address an issue with the DC-DC converter on models with the mild hybrid causing problems with the 12v system. Still unclear if it's an OTA fix or whether a trip to the dealer will be required.
These DC-DC converter issues are astounding to me.....so many brands just can't seem to get such a simple thing right
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 03:01 AM
  #34  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,482
Likes: 3,832
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
The whole “this car is slightly higher or lower ranked than the other” doesn’t concern me. Having gone from Lexus to MB and Chrysler and being by and large similarly satisfied it doesn’t really concern me. I lease also.
exactly right. the whole ‘number of problems per 100 cars’ is pretty ridiculous. if one car is 150 and another 100, that means they have an average of HALF A PROBLEM more per car, but 150 vs 100 sounds so much worse.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 05:17 AM
  #35  
Och's Avatar
Och
Lexus Champion
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,831
Likes: 142
From: NY
Default

Putting initial reaction over radical designs aside, from the outside definitely the S class. It looks relatively conservative and elegant, I just hope the grille isn't made of LEDs and doesn't light up at night. The BMW exterior styling is ridiculous from every angle, maybe a set of normal looking wheels could help the side and rear, but there is no saving that ugly face.

On the inside, it's hard to say which one is uglier, but functionally the 7 series is better. As much as I love traditional gauges, I've always had an issue with them - I am tall, and I like sporty driving position with the steering wheel dropped all the way down, so in every car the steering wheel blocks the view of the top part of the gauge cluster for me. I absolutely love the HUD feature, and the split dash in the new 7 series is very ugly but is probably going to be very functional. Certainly miss the i-drive ****, it has been the best infotainment interface for nearly two decades, don't know why they are doing away with it for a greasy touch screen. Even my BMW motorcycle has it's own implementation of the i-drive rotary **** on the handlebar, I absolutely love it.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 05:45 AM
  #36  
Och's Avatar
Och
Lexus Champion
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,831
Likes: 142
From: NY
Default

Looks better in motion, you don't notice the ugly wheel pattern.

Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 06:03 AM
  #37  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,092
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

They have several good looking wheel options for that car, at least they did for the pre LCI.

I don’t think it’s ugly, the pre refresh was ugly but both are big and stand out and get attention which isn’t a bad thing. It’s selling very well so it worked for them.

The interior though is just it a layout that I like at all. I want a traditional dash layout. That new BMW dash reminds me of an old Prius, gimmicky…awkward..
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 06:11 AM
  #38  
Och's Avatar
Och
Lexus Champion
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,831
Likes: 142
From: NY
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
They have several good looking wheel options for that car, at least they did for the pre LCI.

I don’t think it’s ugly, the pre refresh was ugly but both are big and stand out and get attention which isn’t a bad thing. It’s selling very well so it worked for them.

The interior though is just it a layout that I like at all. I want a traditional dash layout. That new BMW dash reminds me of an old Prius, gimmicky…awkward..
It's ugly no doubt, I much prefer a traditional dash but with a nice HUD that shows relevant info and turn signals.
Reply
ClubLexus Stories

Celebrating Lexus & Toyota from Around the Globe

story-0

TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

 Michael S. Palmer
story-1

Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

 Joe Kucinski
story-2

Top 10 Lexus/Toyotas With The LEAST 5-Year Depreciation

 Joe Kucinski
story-3

Lexus LC500 Convertible Auction: A Preview of Rising Values?

 Brett Foote
story-4

GX 550 vs TX 550: Best 3-Row Luxury Lexus Family Hauler

 Michael S. Palmer
story-5

9 Best Lexus Models You Can Buy for Half Price (And 1 You Shouldn't!)

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

2026 Lexus NX Buyer's Guide: Models, Features, Prices & More!

 Brett Foote
story-7

Top 10 Reasons to Buy a Lexus TX 550h+ (& 3 Reasons to AVOID!)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-8

Top 10 Lexus & Toyota Models of the 1990s RANKED!

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

10 Great Toyotas That Could Have Been Lexus Models

 Joe Kucinski
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 06:14 AM
  #39  
LexBob2's Avatar
LexBob2
Lexus Champion
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,497
Likes: 251
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by Och
Looks better in motion, you don't notice the ugly wheel pattern.

I agree. That is a good angle on the 7.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 06:30 AM
  #40  
rule18's Avatar
rule18
Pit Crew
Liked
 
Joined: Sep 2025
Posts: 131
Likes: 41
From: NY
Default

I really like the look of some of the RRs but can't bring myself to take the chance. I say that based on historic reported reliability issues (and my resultant bias, whether unfounded or not).
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 07:22 AM
  #41  
LexBob2's Avatar
LexBob2
Lexus Champion
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,497
Likes: 251
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
I like both the Range Rover and the Range Rover Sport.
My neighbor has a RR. It's a great looking SUV, except his is ALL black. Black wheels, black window tint and black paint. IMO the look doesn't do it any favors. RR offers some great looking color and wheel combinations which IMO accent it better.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 08:26 AM
  #42  
1111GS's Avatar
1111GS
CL Community Team
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,403
Likes: 195
From: US
Default

It may look like a downgrade and not "right image" for some but I don't mind going with option 3 for an M5 or I5 M60 with the right package/dark color to wipe out the chrome. The more I look at it the more I like. I think the front light design looks very much like the 5th gen 5 - the best looking generation IMO.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 08:35 AM
  #43  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,092
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by LexBob2
My neighbor has a RR. It's a great looking SUV, except his is ALL black. Black wheels, black window tint and black paint. IMO the look doesn't do it any favors. RR offers some great looking color and wheel combinations which IMO accent it better.
Yeah people love that murdered out look, its not my thing either.

Originally Posted by 1111GS
It may look like a downgrade and not "right image" for some but I don't mind going with option 3 for an M5 or I5 M60 with the right package/dark color to wipe out the chrome. The more I look at it the more I like. I think the front light design looks very much like the 5th gen 5 - the best looking generation IMO.
The new 5 is very cheap feeling inside, I would go down to an E Class or a GLE before I did that for that reason, but I don't dislike the current gen 5.

This interior is coming for it very shortly too though
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 09:01 AM
  #44  
1111GS's Avatar
1111GS
CL Community Team
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,403
Likes: 195
From: US
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
The new 5 is very cheap feeling inside, I would go down to an E Class or a GLE before I did that for that reason, but I don't dislike the current gen 5.
This interior is coming for it very shortly too though
How much do I keep track of BMWs? Wasn't aware of the new one coming up for 5 as well. Lol. Definitely not a good choice to down grade.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2026 | 10:47 AM
  #45  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,092
Likes: 3,870
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by 1111GS
How much do I keep track of BMWs? Wasn't aware of the new one coming up for 5 as well. Lol. Definitely not a good choice to down grade.
Yeah its coming for all of them!
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:48 PM.

story-0
TRD Off-Road Premium: Best 2026 4Runner, Except This One Thing

Slideshow: diving into 4Runner TRD Off-Road Premium's pricing, performance, fuel economy, features, and amenities!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-23 13:09:18


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Lexus & Toyotas to Drive Before You Die!

Slideshow: the 10 Lexus and Toyota vehicles you need to drive before you die.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-23 10:34:24


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Lexus/Toyotas With The LEAST 5-Year Depreciation

Slideshow: Top 10 Lexus/Toyota models with the lowest 5-year depreciation rate.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-08 12:19:06


VIEW MORE
story-3
Lexus LC500 Convertible Auction: A Preview of Rising Values?

The LC hasn't even disappeared from the Lexus lineup yet, and we're already seeing signs of an explosive market.

By Brett Foote | 2026-04-06 09:25:02


VIEW MORE
story-4
GX 550 vs TX 550: Best 3-Row Luxury Lexus Family Hauler

Slideshow: comparing the pricings, specs, power, fuel economy, fun-factor, and features of the GX 550 Luxury+ and TX 550h+ Luxury.

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-03-19 13:44:11


VIEW MORE
story-5
9 Best Lexus Models You Can Buy for Half Price (And 1 You Shouldn't!)

Slideshow: 9 best Lexus models you can buy for half price and 1 you should avoid

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-19 12:01:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2026 Lexus NX Buyer's Guide: Models, Features, Prices & More!

Here's everything you need to know about the latest NX.

By Brett Foote | 2026-03-19 11:56:59


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Reasons to Buy a Lexus TX 550h+ (& 3 Reasons to AVOID!)

Slideshow: reviewing the 2026 Lexus TX 550h+ Luxury plug-in hybrid crossover SUV!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-03-05 19:04:47


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Lexus & Toyota Models of the 1990s RANKED!

Slideshow: Top 10 Lexus and Toyota model of the 1990s ranked.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-03-04 12:35:11


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Great Toyotas That Could Have Been Lexus Models

Slideshow: 10 Toyotas that could have been Lexus models.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-02-19 11:44:33


VIEW MORE