I wasn't trying to create an EV vs ICE debate with this thread, but it's very clear that the two groups just don't get along, which is why Dave created the EV sub forum

Does Mach e have Auto wiper issue too? Seriously though when my Tesla windshield was dirty while driving, I sometimes felt hesitant to activate spray and wipe. It would splash and leave that shitty liquid all over the places, over the glass roof and down to driver's window. Maybe they keep that Windex bottle for this reason. I don't think I've seen any Tesla folks here complain about their auto wipers or wipers in motion. It's kind of strange. Lol.

I think you asked for it. You could have just posted in one of your threads and re-emphasize how much and why you love your EVs.

Ah, so I'm the bad guy 👍LOL I'm pretty much done with CL

You just want to leave us again!!! 😂

Do you actually believe this? Since 2012 pure battery electric vehicle sales have grown 130x. 2012 to current.

He also forgot to mention that Tesla sales are nearly 500k cars a quarter, the number one selling vehicle in California and number 3 selling world wide. Rejected my ***

Because the sub forum separation was super peaceful?
It doesn't matter really if the sections are separate or merged. People will argue this argument until the cows come home.

Both flavors of cars have good points and bad. EVs though have been politically used as a weapon and a casualty thereof.
Last thing oil companies/countries want is EVs to take over. Keep that in mind when saying EVs are a total failure. They shouldn't be, and if they are... Why? (what$ the real rea$on)

Thankfully there is a massive market for EVs. So they are not going away.
I still have no doubt EVs will overtake ICE as the main propulsion in cars. The younger generation will change the market over time. They don't like to drive. After experiencing the FSD, I can see it getting better. To the point where one could just sit on their phone for the entire trip.
That is what will change the market. Not oil, or climate change... Insta-Tockers watching youtube bs and posting selfies.

@1SICKLEX and @bitkahuna I hope you will go thru this thread and carefully analyze that many in the ICE community, fairy or unfairly see us as unwanted illegal immigrants in "their" forum. Even your mods are showing bias, telling me I "asked for it" by starting this thread. How can I even post here anymore knowing that they think I'm the problem for starting a thread? Was I rude to anyone, did I curse anyone out or insult anyone?

So with all respect, until proper etiquette and rules are established, proper moderation is conducted, I cannot post here anymore until order is established. Right now posting here I feel like an unwanted guest

You are correct, but it wasn't this bad. And when arguments broke out, they were broken up. And no one told us "This is an ICE forum"

To Amirza's point, neurocity, it absolutely wasn't this bad. And I hope it's clear for all to see that the "crimes" that EV owners have been accused of in this very thread has basically all been projection.

I've posted several times how bad the auto wipers are. Once in a while we get an update that makes them pretty good, then they're broken again on the next. Tesla went cheap by not including a proper sensor.

I had no idea the persecution that the EV folks were suffering from here. So to be clear.... A separate EV sub forum would fix it all?
A place for EVonians to air-out their "charger" dongles, free from sooty pump loving ICEatanian abuse.

Are PHEVs akin to bi-sexuals then? I just need to know what group I need to align with my jeep.

WTF?!?! is there really some dark Eloi and Morlock bullshit going on here?

Bro, are you not reading the comments?

"CL is a forum with mostly ICE owners and I think it’s been pretty open and fair with many of the folks that converted to EVs. But its tiring to hear how great the EVs are like we as ICE owners have not experienced a Tesla lol Hell I can save thousands driving BMW iX instead of X5. We know the benefits and shortcomings, please save your breath"

At least in the EV forum we could say how great EV's were without hearing comments like this. The fighting was mostly among ourselves. You remember, like the beef between Steve and myself...which we resolved btw

What is this? Seriously I have no idea what the point of this post is.