Your clothes pure cotton locally grown and processed on clean energy? I know your phone uses a lot of oil in its production so if you or anyone thinks if we stopped burning all oil that any difference would be made they are just delusional.

Now ask people to pay 2-3x more for the same thing, it just doesn't work and while constant subsidy can make it seem like it works the money always runs out.

 

Strawman. I know exactly how oil is used and how valuable it is doesn't mean we should be vaporizing 400 billion gallons of gasoline per year.
WTF are you talking about, 3x more? No industry is more subsidized than oil at least $1 trillion per year.

 

Because cars produce carbon monoxide which kills you. I didn't dispute that.

Does me having 4 V8s make one bit of difference in anything? ? No. And that I prefer the engines that don't ever break because they're not focused on efficiency?

Do you use plastic at all?

Know how much you use fossil fuels in your daily life?

An ICE car is just one part of it.

Oh and nice try with the graph, that's GLOBAL sales and not US. Though even in Europe EVs are cooling, the whole world is sorta following our lead. Europe just went back on its 2035 ICE ban, that was a huge (predictable) deal.

 

Consumption and pollution is a global problem, bizarre that you think otherwise.
Every drop doesn't think they are the ocean.
Yes I know precisely I've done the math. Have you? I use oil every day the difference is you think doing such is completely harmless, you said yourself you drive a bunch of gas hogs and it doesn't matter at all. I fully recognize me using oil is bad, and that humanity needs to find a better way as much as possible.

You sit back in your chair and think there is zero need just keep burning oil until the end of time, no downside.

 

I'm not talking about pollution. It's not germane to my point(s) about EV interest about dead in the United States. I lived in LA for 2 years and literally remember ZERO smog, ever. You don't even live in the USA. We lead the world in emissions reduction tech, etc. etc.

Using oil isn't bad. But if that's the way you think, don't ever eat again because belching is bad for the environment. Why are you using any oil at all if -----holy moly---- HUMANITY is affected here?

There is no downside to me driving whatever TF I want, big inefficient V8 engine or not. So what I have 4 V8s. I also live in a not-huge house when we could afford 6-7k square feet. Big difference in energy/heat bill there.

 

Gasoline emissions via fine particulate matter still kills millions per year.
You really can't see this objectively can you. Just because I use oil doesn't MAKE IT GOOD. It makes it necessary not the same thing.
No downside to using energy, well that says it all. If you really believe that then you have zero personal responsibility.

 

If you use it, you use it. Some might view that as pretty hypocritical.

No, I was trying to give you a real world example that while yes I own 4 gas guzzlers, god forbid V8s.... between the both of us we may drive 8k miles a year??? My spouse literally does not drive anywhere, hardly ever.

Not only that, maybe I'm not Lucifer in the flesh with the energy consumption..... We could afford a house 4xs the size of what ours is. One with 5 A/C units instead of 2. But we choose not to.

 

There is no hypocrisy at all, you want there to be so you can throw that in my face. I told you in no uncertain terms we should stop burning oil as much as possible you think there is zero reason to do this. We are not the same.
Real wold example of creating pollution that's all you did.
You want some sort of award? And why would you limit your energy consumption when you said yourself there is no downside, for example

 

Of course we aren't the same... you actually thought EVs were gonna take hold.

And you still do.

Who cares? You couldn't see my point there either? If you think that's bad you should see how much I'd use if we chose to live in an 8,000 square foot house.

I'm not limiting it, I just choose to live below my/our means housewise.

 

Globally they are. You believe that going forward gasoline powered vehicles will dominate the industry and every company going EV is doomed. Electric vehicles are 25% of all sales, 10 years ago that was almost zero. Spotting the pattern should be dead simple.
What I care about is supporting clean industry, you care about supporting dirty industry. If fact you take pride in it.
I will never blame anyone for their personal choices as long as they are honest about them.

 

Then why did Europe just reneg on the whole EV only by 2035 thing? And my point isn't about global, it's about here.

EVs aren't 25% of all sales. And yes, that's what I believe. It's currently happening lol.

I do. That's partly because people like you think I shouldn't live a certain way.... like half the reason I have 40 guns is bc so many people think I shouldn't.

I tend to not judge people for their choices unless they are doing something very objectively bad or illegal. You acting like I'm affecting anything with my "carbon footprint" is laughable.

So at my house, all 4 cars that's 22.2 liters of displacement. 32 cylinders. But like I said I/we only drive 8000 miles a year.

What if we only had one car but it was a 2.0L 4cylinder so let's say 1/10th the displacement of all that, but it got driven 10 times as much as all my cars combined? Would you think it's as "wrong" as you do my situation?

 

What you believe isn't what is happening
https://www.iea.org/reports/global-e...-car-markets-2
Over 20% by the end of last year this year it will be 25%.
Oh no, people are coming to take away your trucks better buy more guns. I have never once told you what you are allowed to buy maybe ask yourself why you think that.
You're special, you have zero impact on the planet.
lol
You refuse to think past your own bubble. It's ALL wrong, get it? Using non renewable resources is stupid unless there is no other choice. Maybe go back and read that again if necessary.

 

No it won't. Come back in Feb or whenever the legit stats are out and we'll see. In any case, for the 5th time this is about the UNITED STATES. Not Canada or the rest of the world. Again, you're silent about the fact that even Europe realizes EVs won't work mainstream (hence reneging on 2035) and that there is still demand even over there there, plenty, for ICE.... even with their $5-7 fuel.

LOL I didn't say you said that. But I know how you and people like you think. You really act like I'm doing something genuinely bad by having gas guzzling trucks.

And you're brainwashed.

Know how long certain groups of people have been saying we're on the brink of running out of oil? There is so much oil underneath us it's ridiculous. The brainwashed people will say until the end of time "there's only 50 years worth left" when it's been false every time. There is so much freaking oil underneath of us, it just keeps oozing in.

BTW building EVs isn't really environmentally friendly, at all.

 

You'll simply deny reality.
Now you can read minds.There isn't some boogie man coming to take your trucks you don't need a bunch of guns to keep "people like you" from taking away your precious gasoline.
Let's break this down, you can't deal with the factual so it must be that I'm brainwashed.
Amazing you still can't understand what finite means. Physical limits exist on how much oil there is, estimates range from 40-100 years at current consumption. Of course you don't care in the slightest because by then it won't matter you'll be dead. Plus you didn't contribute in any way to oil consumption according to you.
Has been proven over and over again that EVs are 3x cleaner over their respective life cycles but you'll deny reality here as well.

Your intense attachment to gasoline is something I'll give you that.

 

Lol, okay. I am talking about end consumer costs, you cut out combustibles are you are going to be paying SO Much more for everything instead of a measly trillion to quite literally ensure that the world functions and doesn't have price spikes. Also might want to check on the trillions just abjectly wasted on renewable trash that doesn't even have the ability to return the energy invested. The literal definition of unsustainable.

Let me put a hard number on that as well for ya, renewables are subsided 30x more than fossil fuels. Might want to refrain from mentioning the fossil subsidies in the future lol! And before you say anything, the numbers are from the .Gov sources so go check the EIA