You and @AJT123 may be related. Both of you and your old V8s🤣. There are 4 and 6 cylinders out there that will blow the doors off those ancient V8s. 🤣 Some may not sound as good but after few hundred feet you won’t hear them anyway. 🤣🤣

Why I stick to what’s worked for me…Toyota & Honda.

4 grand, and it’s someone else problem.

 

Uh what ancient V8s? My 710 Whp TTV8? Or did you mean the LS460?

 

I respect the 460 (I loved my LS460) but whatever V8 that’s in @AJT123 MB.

TTV8 😬

 

You tagged me lol!

In AJTs defense the M113K resides in the nose of the SLR McLaren and is still an impressive engine lol!

I actually do have an old V8 though, doesn't even have a knock sensor but it's so heavily modified it only has the stock lifter hold downs and distributor gear. Everything else including the block is modified/modernized or upgraded.

And I guess my LS430 is an older tech engine? And my new S4 maybe? Not sure, the lack of DI probably means they are old but they have VVT and variable intakes etc and have all the same stuff as modern engines and more minus turbos and DI. High end stuff tends to be 10-20 years ahead like that after all

 

oh in europe 4 cyl mb's are a badge buy too.

example, my brother-in-law and nephew have 'em (in europe) proudly in their driveway in a neighborhood of 1000 sq. ft houses.

of course not because you can afford a much higher end ttv8 one.

definitely true. so for all the 'sell out' type comments by many here about mb and bmw, they're responding to the market, and it's worked well. given how far turbo 4 cyl engines have come, 99% of people simply don't need or even care about 'more'.

oh the cylinder envy here... ;D

i am indeed, ha.

 

You are correct that most people don't know or care, car move good, drink little, cost low.

I just happened to start with a 6.0 V8 as my first engine, it's hard to go backwards to lesser stuff after you have experienced higher levels.

I'm using my grandparents 04 Honda van to run around this week and help get stuff they need for the damage to backyard/garden and I'm finding myself for the first time ever getting annoyed that the car is too basic. I know I shouldn't be like that and I should be happy it's an 100% sorted car but it's just too loud over the road and isn't smooth. I'm still impressed with how nicely Honda did these interiors though in terms of outright durability and fit, nothing moves or rattles at all.

 

At least in Europe the small displacement engine and the small size have more practical applications.

I can now but I couldn’t always. Wouldn’t have bought one with a 4 cyl. The 6 cyl models of those vehicles aren’t dramatically more expensive. In any event a luxury car should be aspirational, I’d like to have more with my badge than just the badge.

I don’t have an issue with the existence of the 4 cyl models. There are better options. I do strongly feel the FWD Mercedes models however are a mistake, and I think Lexus not offering 6 cyl and 8 cyl options in its lineup is a mistake.

 

I started with a GM 2.8 V6....not much better than an I4. It was only up from there. I'll have my 5.0 V8 in my driveway forever.

 

You and Ajt are V8 or nothing. LOL. There are some good 4 and 6 cylinders out there. Some that will spank a V8.

I used to tow with a ‘08 Silverado 6.0 3/4 ton and I believe my Tundra tows better. When I got my first tundra I never towed with the 6.0 again. It’s still around to this day.



You can have a little fun with the Odessey. One of my friends actually swapped the V6 from an Odessey in his S2000. I haven’t ridden in it yet but he competes with it in time trials.

 

Only car I've ever driven where "make it go faster" was a slide switch right below the radio:

 

Lol yeah but I'd have to hear and feel it every time I drove the car. I was parked next to an SL450 a few weeks back, when the guy started it up it sounded just absolutely horrendous.

Oh I love Lexus. But it's not Mercedes Benz. If you know your cars and with a little bit of luck you can score a really, really, really good old Mercedes like I did. I try to count all the upgrades on the Silver Arrow packages but I can never think of all of them because there are just so many.

Yep, thanks. And I have the NA M113 which is bulletproof other than stupid stuff like sensors.

I wouldn't swap the engine in it for anything, literally. It's a hoot to drive, loud and fast. 5.0L V8 with dual intake runners so it sounds like an old Honda VTEC switching over, just a V8 so even better.

 

I have had literally 100s of different cars comes through my shop and nearly no 4 cyls have ever impressed me on any level and few V6s have. I'm not saying I'm uninterested from lack of interacting but rather due to the fact I've interacted with so many, the only 6s I like are the highest end ones and even then I would prefer the V8 option from the same brands/the higher end car they offer.

A I-6 5 series is a great setup, but the same Gen M5 is amazing. The Audi 3.0 super is great but the RS car force induction V8 is on another level from it. Infinity/Nissan TTV6s are fun but then you realize it's all they offer and are below the Germans and domestics.

The only 4 cyls that have ever impressed me are diesels and certain Honda 4s but ultimately they are not something I would pick as my main/favored engine. Too harsh and too small of a powerband and too low potential. I've also gotten very used to the flavor of 12s now to the point that V8s are taking the same place in my life as mainstream V6s used to be

The S2000 is fun until you realize that all that RPM doesn't translate to much power, I don't like engines are a dead at low rpm and take forever to wake up. Like a Ferrari 360/430 to me is a non-ideal experience since they are buzzy and weak below 4k. I much rather have something that is instant and at all rpm like a large 8 or a 10/12. For example of talking 4s I would always want the CTR engine over the S2000s since I want my car to move and respond in a certain way

 

That’s a cool setup.

 

Hearing and and reading about all the mechanical horror stories on MB is more than enough to keep me away thinking my luck would be any better.

Completely understand I get it.

As for the S2000 I can’t bring myself to pick up one because if you’re not revving it to the moon it’s not going anywhere. But they handle great!!

 

I really loved driving it but it's unnerving to have to CONSTANTLY be at like 7k rpm to just drive it around lol! Chassis is great and fun though