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I'm younger than 30 and think Buick IS for old people.
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I'm younger than 30 and think Buick IS NOT for old people.
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I'm between 31-50 and think Buick IS for old people.
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I'm between 51-70 and think Buick IS for old people.
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I'm between 51-70 and think Buick IS NOT for old people.
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I'm older than 71 and think Buick IS for old people.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by signdetres
I agree about the Envista. I think it will attract much younger buyers to the brand. Especially with a $22,000 starting price. I like it a lot. 👍🏻

If I were shopping in this segment, I would definitely consider it over other options. First Buick I’ve ever said anything like this about
My prediction is they will sell a lot to rental fleets...
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 03:43 PM
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The last Buick I liked was the Grand National.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
My prediction is they will sell a lot to rental fleets...
Possibly, but I don't think you will see very much demand for them as a rental car. The Envision will be far more likely to be requested, unless one wants something at a rock-bottom price. Look at you and your family, for instance....you ended up in a rental Enclave, which is even larger than an Envision.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TangoRed
Buick has made plenty of attractive concepts over the last several years but there production vehicles are usually completely devoid of sex appeal. What young person would be attracted to a product line that stirs no emotion in you whatsoever? Consumer demographics say it all - the cars might not be for older people, but older people certainly love them and make up the vast majority of owners.

I will say I'll be very interested in the consumer data for the Buick Envista. That is one recent introduction that might start to change things.

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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Possibly, but I don't think you will see very much demand for them as a rental car. The Envision will be far more likely to be requested, unless one wants something at a rock-bottom price. Look at you and your family, for instance....you ended up in a rental Enclave, which is even larger than an Envision.
Whens the last time you rented a car when traveling?

There is a lot of demand for small inexpensive rental cars. I am a family of 4 with deep pockets, lots of people are renting for themselves, or themselves and spouse, and cost is really important. Not everybody can or wants to spend $750+ a week to rent a car. Vehicles of this size are far and away the most popular rental cars you find on lots today.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KennyFSU
The last Buick I liked was the Grand National.
Yes, a number of others also feel that way. While I understand where they are coming from, IMO they aren't really Buick people....they are muscle-car fans.

Buick has done some muscle-cars over the years (the Grand-National/GNX of the 1980s, the GS350/400 of the 1960's, and some big-engined Riviera Gran Sports in the 1960s)...but, in general, aggressive driving is simply not the company's forte. They are built primarily for people who want comfort....although the 20" wheels on the Cascada convertible rode like s***.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
There is a lot of demand for small inexpensive rental cars. I am a family of 4 with deep pockets, lots of people are renting for themselves, or themselves and spouse, and cost is really important. Not everybody can or wants to spend $750+ a week to rent a car. Vehicles of this size are far and away the most popular rental cars you find on lots today.
Seems to be truth on both sides. According to the stats, some of the Top Ten are small inexpensive vehicles, and the others are not.

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Yes, a number of others also feel that way. While I understand where they are coming from, IMO they aren't really Buick people....they are muscle-car fans.

Buick has done some muscle-cars over the years (the Grand-National/GNX of the 1980s, the GS350/400 of the 1960's, and some big-engined Riviera Gran Sports in the 1960s)...but, in general, aggressive driving is simply not the company's forte. They are built primarily for people who want comfort....although the 20" wheels on the Cascada convertible rode like s***.
Except that they really aren't exceptionally comfortable. I've driven a fair number of Buicks as rental cars, and I really don't find them any more comfortable at all than their other GM counterparts. An Enclave for instance feels just like a Traverse...I actually find the interior and layout of the Traverse more comfortable.

I just really don't see the appeal.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Except that they really aren't exceptionally comfortable. I've driven a fair number of Buicks as rental cars, and I really don't find them any more comfortable at all than their other GM counterparts. An Enclave for instance feels just like a Traverse...I actually find the interior and layout of the Traverse more comfortable.

I just really don't see the appeal.

In general, Buicks have better soundproofing than equivalent Chevys. Buick, like Lincoln, spends a lot on things like triple-sealed doors, double-laminated glass, reinforced roof insulation, underwood insulation, etc....although Lincoln does a little better job underhood....for higher MSRPs, of course.

What I like, though, about Buick (and always have), is the amount of comfort they give you for the money....IMO it matches or exceeds that of some more expensive products. But, no, it is not going to exceed the comfort of a Mercedes S-Class LOL.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 04:51 PM
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BTW, signdetres........Good Thread. And there have been some good responses on both sides.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
In general, Buicks have better soundproofing than equivalent Chevys. Buick, like Lincoln, spends a lot on things like triple-sealed doors, double-laminated glass, reinforced roof insulation, underwood insulation, etc....although Lincoln does a little better job underhood....for higher MSRPs, of course.

What I like, though, about Buick (and always have), is the amount of comfort they give you for the money....IMO it matches or exceeds that of some more expensive products. But, no, it is not going to exceed the comfort of a Mercedes S-Class LOL.
I would say Buick is more similar to what Mercury used to be, not Lincoln. Like I said, I don’t see any difference in a Buick and a similar Chevy, the Buick is a softer more rounded design clearly aimed at an older buyer, but the build quality and all of the vehicle itself is the same. All the door seals etc look the same. If a Buick model has an option for double paned glass, it’s available on the comparable Chevy too.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I would say Buick is more similar to what Mercury used to be, not Lincoln. Like I said, I don’t see any difference in a Buick and a similar Chevy, the Buick is a softer more rounded design clearly aimed at an older buyer, but the build quality and all of the vehicle itself is the same. All the door seals etc look the same. If a Buick model has an option for double paned glass, it’s available on the comparable Chevy too.
Buick, though, seem to consistently outdo other GM divisions in quality-surveys...yet they are often built on the same assembly lines, as with the ones from Korea.

Cadillac, for example, ranked very low for years, but has recently improved some....but still below average.
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Old Nov 19, 2023 | 05:32 PM
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I asked my wife, Are Buicks for old people?".

She says yep. Haha
And she knows nothing about cars.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Buick, though, seem to consistently outdo other GM divisions in quality-surveys...yet they are often built on the same assembly lines, as with the ones from Korea.

Cadillac, for example, ranked very low for years, but has recently improved some....but still below average.
Thats a great example of why these surveys don’t tell you the whole story. They are the same cars made by the same company on the same assembly line…the reason the results of the surveys aren’t the same is because the buyers are different.
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