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Yesterday | 02:00 PM

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Och

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna

good luck finding one. they're hard to find. and used don't seem like that great a 'bargain'.

From the info I saw they are heavily discounted, not sure why they would be hard to find.

Yesterday | 02:11 PM

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Striker223

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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

That I agree with. I already pay nearly $700 for each of my Tesla's, and a lot of that is BS taxes

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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil

In Tennessee EV owners pay a yearly $200 surcharge to renew registration. Hybrid surcharge is $100. Starting next year it will be $274 and $137.

Yeah stuff like this is what I feared would happen about 4 years ago, I just KNEW they would find a way to get the money back somehow.

Yesterday | 02:13 PM

#9348

Striker223

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Originally Posted by Och

From the info I saw they are heavily discounted, not sure why they would be hard to find.

They are a hell of a deal if you are willing to roll the dice on if they brick or not, it's not like a used Tesla where you have near endless support for any and all issues.

Yesterday | 02:42 PM

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AMIRZA786

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Originally Posted by Striker223

They are a hell of a deal if you are willing to roll the dice on if they brick or not, it's not like a used Tesla where you have near endless support for any and all issues.

^^ This is why I wouldn't get one ^^ I don't have full trust yet of legacy auto when it comes to EV's, for example our Ioniq 5 was constantly going back to the dealership for recalls on the LV battery, and our friends actually bricked on the freeway. Although 3 years later, my daughters 2023 Chevy Bolt hasn't had one issue, nor has she taken it to the dealership even once since buying it

Yesterday | 03:06 PM

#9350

Striker223

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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

Yep, I wouldn't risk it until the support is there. Tesla was first and is the most monolithic so they are essentially the only option.

Same reason I don't buy any car until at least the 5 year mark, I don't want to be left with a brick that is waiting on parts for some defect/recall etc.

Yesterday | 03:28 PM

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SW17LS

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Originally Posted by 1111GS

I don't know how a Camry drives and for sure don't know about the double wishbone/multilink you mentioned...They may also be more common with BMW or Mercedes as you mentioned but IMO, they are no where like German cars. From my experience... luxury features aside... the jerky one pedal driving and how fast it feels are the most noticeable. I can be driving 80+ on my German cars and feel super planted/safe. Tesla 3 and Y? 65+ and you'll feel like flying. Lol.

Not knowing about the differences doesn't mean the differences don't exist lol

I haven't driven any modern car that doesn't feel safe at 80.

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Originally Posted by Och

I now wonder is the EQS is a secret bargain. It is certainly ugly, but there are huge discounts on it, and if it rides and is built to the real S class standards, it might be worth a shot.

Not to the S Class standards inside, material quality etc is more E Class.

Yesterday | 03:37 PM

#9352

rominl

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Originally Posted by 1111GS

not sure how you drive but in my model 3, i can hit triple digits and the car is still fully stable and controllable.

Yesterday | 05:17 PM

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Allen K

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Originally Posted by SW17LS

Not knowing about the differences doesn't mean the differences don't exist lol

I haven't driven any modern car that doesn't feel safe at 80.

Ah I see you've never had the pleasure of driving a Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. That thing felt like it was falling apart while driving it out of the rental car lot.

Yesterday | 05:29 PM

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Allen K

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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

OPD is no longer jerky, unless you make it jerky on purpose or just don't know how to drive. But you are right, the Germans have chassis and suspension down to an art. That said, my Model 3 feels great at 80 plus MPH

A lot of people experience Teslas primarily through Uber/Lyft. I've had at most 2 OPD competent Uber/Lyft drivers.

Yesterday | 05:42 PM

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Striker223

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Originally Posted by Allen K

A lot of people experience Teslas primarily through Uber/Lyft. I've had at most 2 OPD competent Uber/Lyft drivers.

I mean you can just rent one for a week to try them out too, OPD isn't something I like personally but it works and you can be smooth with it. Just don't snap off the throttle

Yesterday | 05:51 PM

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mmarshall

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Originally Posted by Allen K

Ah I see you've never had the pleasure of driving a Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. That thing felt like it was falling apart while driving it out of the rental car lot.

I can't say very many nice things about today's Mitsubishi U.S.-market products, either, but, if they DO fall apart prematurely, they at least have a 10-year Powertrain and 5-year Bumper-to-Bumper warranty like Hyundai/Kia products. If, of course, you can get to one of their thinly-spread dealerships in a reasonable amount of time and/or distance.

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Yesterday | 06:11 PM

#9357

SW17LS

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Originally Posted by Allen K

Ah I see you've never had the pleasure of driving a Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross. That thing felt like it was falling apart while driving it out of the rental car lot.

Good call on that one! I actually did have an Eclipse Cross as a rental when my LS460 was in for the time it got rear ended. I took it back it was so awful.