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I saw this video, these guys are bias. They loved the car but tried to pretend they hated it. 99 percent of people aren't going to track this car, and the 1 percent who do will spend $10k to upgrade the brakes, suspension and tires, and it will still be cheaper than an M3 or M4, which are cars I love BTW
I saw this video, these guys are bias. They loved the car but tried to pretend they hated it. 99 percent of people aren't going to track this car, and the 1 percent who do will spend $10k to upgrade the brakes, suspension and tires, and it will still be cheaper than an M3 or M4, which are cars I love BTW
Lets not say people are biased because they disagree with you. I would argue Jason Camisa is biased because his publication was pushing EVs very hard as AJT has pointed out.
Somebody who truly appreciates an M3 or M4 isn't going to care that a Model 3 is cheaper. A Toyota Camry is also cheaper...its meaningless as the cars are not comparable.
Then he's nuts IMO. But...an M3 is not a $100k+ sports car. I would take an M3 over a Model 3 or Y every day of the week though, way more interesting and desirable car IMO, and an entirely different car. Nobody is cross shopping the two.
My question is, would you have ever bought a $100k+ car in the first place? My guess is no...and I would also question how many $100k+ sports cars you've driven. A car of that caliber offers SO much more to the driver than simply being fast in a straight line and handling well.
This is part of what frustrates me about Tesla hype, its a great car but its not THE best car ever made and it doesn't outclass EVERY car the way you're saying it does. Its not a 911. Its not an S Class. Its not an Aston Martin. The list goes on and on. What it is is an incredibly well packaged and fun family sedan or family crossover that makes a much more appealing daily driver than most other things you can buy for the price. Why can't that be enough? When you make crazy claims like "its makes $100k sports cars irrelevant and my friend is going to trade his 911 in on one", those statements are just absurd.
I drove a 2017 Lambo Huracan, $250k, an M3, $120k, and recently an M4 Comp, $115k, so I've driven plenty of cars over $100k
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Lets not say people are biased because they disagree with you. I would argue Jason Camisa is biased because his publication was pushing EVs very hard as AJT has pointed out.
Somebody who truly appreciates an M3 or M4 isn't going to care that a Model 3 is cheaper. A Toyota Camry is also cheaper...its meaningless as the cars are not comparable.
LoL OK, lets compare a Toyota Camry to a Model 3 performance. I'm not getting into this stupid argument with you
LoL OK, lets compare a Toyota Camry to a Model 3 performance. I'm not getting into this stupid argument with you
I'm not saying a Camry is comparable, BUT a Camry is more similar to a Model 3 than a Lexus LC is, for example. Both are family sedans.
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And out of all those cars, I prefer the Model 3 Performance, and that's all I have to say on the subject, thank you
Because you aren't somebody who appreciates what those cars bring to the table as sports cars, there's nothing wrong with that but its the case. A Lamborghini Huracan? Come on lol
For a "daily driver" I would rather drive a Model 3, but to say that a Model 3 makes a Lamborghini Huracan obsolete is ridiculous. Its a family sedan mass made in huge numbers...a Lamborghini is a special car very few people ever get to drive let alone own.
I would choose my S Class over all of those cars too (and did), but that doesn't mean those cars are "obsolete", they just aren't my thing. Somebody that wants that kind of car isn't going to want my S Class...or a Model 3.
I'm not saying a Camry is comparable, BUT a Camry is more similar to a Model 3 than a Lexus LC is, for example. Both are family sedans.
Because you aren't somebody who appreciates what those cars bring to the table as sports cars, there's nothing wrong with that but its the case. A Lamborghini Huracan? Come on lol
For a "daily driver" I would rather drive a Model 3, but to say that a Model 3 makes a Lamborghini Huracan obsolete is ridiculous. Its a family sedan mass made in huge numbers...a Lamborghini is a special car very few people ever get to drive let alone own.
I would choose my S Class over all of those cars too (and did), but that doesn't mean those cars are "obsolete", they just aren't my thing. Somebody that wants that kind of car isn't going to want my S Class...or a Model 3.
You're picking a word I used and taking it almost personal. I'm not saying any of these cars are obsolete in a literal sense. But for me personally, they are as the Model 3 Performance fills all my needs...it performs well, it's comfortable, efficient, needs almost no maintenance, is a great daily driver and doesn't cost $100k. If it didn't exist, than I would probably get a car like an M3 or M4 Comp. And I've driven and spent time with both cars, so Im not taking out my ***
I read your posts and know you are knowledgeable, and I respect your choices, so I'm asking the same from you as well
You're picking a word I used and taking it almost personal. I'm not saying any of these cars are obsolete in a literal sense. But for me personally, they are as the Model 3 Performance fills all my needs...it performs well, it's comfortable, efficient, needs almost no maintenance, is a great daily driver and doesn't cost $100k. If it didn't exist, than I would probably get a car like an M3 or M4 Comp. And I've driven and spent time with both cars, so Im not taking out my ***
I read your posts and know you are knowledgeable, and I respect your choices, so I'm asking the same from you as well
Your choices and making blanket statements are different things. When you say something is "irrelevant" because the Model 3 P exists thats not the same as saying that they aren't something you would choose over it. You are saying they make no sense because the Model 3 P exists in general, which is just not at all true.
Would you really get an M3 or M4 Competition if the Model 3P didn't exist? Because you've never had anything like that before...in fact you don't have a Model 3 P...you have a Model Y and a Polestar which is nowhere near as high performance and a Ioniq 5...why not replace one of them with the M3 P if thats the sort of car you really want? If you really loved and wanted a sports car or supercar you would not choose a Model 3 over a Lamborghini Huracan.
It just seems to me like the sort of cars you are saying you wouldn't get are cars that in fact you would just never choose in the first place. What you seem to want are practical but fun EV family vehicles and theres nothing wrong with that.
Its like me saying "if my S Class didn't exist I would probably get a 911 or a Corvette ZR1"....no I wouldn't lol. I would get some other comfortable sedan because thats what I like. You would get something similar to what you have bought which is what you like.
Your choices and making blanket statements are different things. When you say something is "irrelevant" because the Model 3 P exists thats not the same as saying that they aren't something you would choose over it. You are saying they make no sense because the Model 3 P exists in general, which is just not at all true.
Would you really get an M3 or M4 Competition if the Model 3P didn't exist? Because you've never had anything like that before...in fact you don't have a Model 3 P...you have a Model Y and a Polestar which is nowhere near as high performance...why not replace one of them with the M3 P if thats the sort of car you really want? If you really loved and wanted a sports car or supercar you would not choose a Model 3 over a Lamborghini Huracan.
It just seems to me like the sort of cars you are saying you wouldn't get are cars that in fact you would just never choose in the first place. What you seem to want are practical but fun EV family vehicles and theres nothing wrong with that.
Its like me saying "if my S Class didn't exist I would probably get a 911 or a Corvette ZR1"....no I wouldn't lol
Well you're totally not correct. In the past I was reluctant to buy German cars because of a bias I had for them which I admit, but as I drove some of my friends cars and talked them, I began to respect them. In 2021 I was researching the LC500, but than switched my interests to EV'S after test driving a few. Had I not moved to EV'S, I would probably have an LC500, or possibly an M2 or M3 comp today. But now I would never go back to an ICE car, doesn't matter make or Model.
You're making way to many assumptions about me. But personally, I don't really care, you can keep doing that. But I will say that if EV'S disappeared off the face of the earth and I had to go back to ICE, I couldn't live with a regular car and would buy something like an M2 Comp which performs well and is practical at the same time
But now I would never go back to an ICE car, doesn't matter make or Model.
This is really all you need to say, so you comparing any ICE isn't going to make any sense because you would never consider one over an EV, your outlook is not objective. For somebody like me who likes both EVs and ICE cars its not that simple. There are real, concrete reasons why a Model 3 (or really any EV) can not really replace a high end ICE sports car.
This is really all you need to say, so you comparing any ICE isn't going to make any sense because you would never consider one over an EV, your outlook is not objective. For somebody like me who likes both EVs and ICE cars its not that simple. There are real, concrete reasons why a Model 3 (or really any EV) can not really replace a high end ICE sports car.
This doesn't mean I don't respect ICE, just to be clear. I still love cars like the LC500, M2, M3 etc. and would drive them any chance I get. And yes if I bought a car specific for the track, it would most likely not be an EV
For a luxury or daily car, I think EVs are great. For a performance car though I wouldn’t choose an EV.
I also wouldn’t choose a performance car to daily.
I totally agree on the luxury part when it comes to Tesla. Maybe there will come a day when I'll buy a luxury car, but I prefer performance at this point. And the reason I like the new Model 3 Performance is it gives the straight line performance I like, but it's smooth as a daily driver, and they have really refined the suspension. And I love the seats. I know it's not for everyone, but it's exactly the car I want this stage of my life. And I can just pay cash for it and be done with it for awhile
For a luxury or daily car, I think EVs are great. For a performance car though I wouldn’t choose an EV.
I also wouldn’t choose a performance car to daily.
‘I think manufacturers have upped their game because of EVs. The Corvette for instance, weighs 3366lbs, that is fun to drive and makes handling a dream. Then there is the incredible sound it makes. Convertible/targa top. Napa leather. Incredibly customizable options. Choose between half EV hybrid or all new V8 or existing V8. . Electric cars still have a long way to go IMO before they match some of the designs you see out there. (New Corvette is not really my type of design but it is growing on me).
one EV that I did think was super awesome was the Hyundai Ionic N
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The traditional delineation between luxury, daily and performance cars has never been more blurred. What used to be clear and obvious to the enthusiast really isn't any longer. There's no question at the broad periphery, you're not going to go around a track in a mainstream EV as fast as you could in say a 911 but then again that EV is quieter and smoother than most luxury cars. But if you were to draw the Venn diagram for luxury, performance and daily drivability, the EV is going to have the biggest intersections.
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