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Old 04-27-15, 04:48 PM
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I saw a documentary on Netflix called "Pump" and it showed on there that it might be possible to covert some cars to accept E85 gasoline once you've gone through the computer system of the car.

Any one know if this is possible with a 2004 RX 330? If so, how?

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Alcohol is corrosive...ask my liver. What is comparatively easy for the manufacturer to do, replacing everything that contacts the fuel, is pretty costly for you and I. Pumps, filters, gaskets, injectors, sensors, hoses tank lining and fittings all have to be changed out. The software is likely the easiest part...
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Why even bother is that much cheaper than gasoline?

If you want to be BOLD. Just run it through, you'll probably be able to get away with it for a long while. Eventually you'll have some sort of failure. And you could tell us, then some of us could use this information for our benefit to convert or not.

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Originally Posted by whatnext
I saw a documentary on Netflix called "Pump" and it showed on there that it might be possible to covert some cars to accept E85 gasoline once you've gone through the computer system of the car.

Any one know if this is possible with a 2004 RX 330? If so, how?
Factor in the fact that E85 fuel has less energy therefore you would expect to get around 30% lower MPG. You will be stopping to fill up much more frequently. Your distance traveled per tank will also be about 30% less. Some math: with E10 if you now get 20 MPG, with E85 you likely would be getting 14 MPG .

Also, E85 does not store well as it has a very high propensity to absorb moisture and as mentioned is highly corrosive to most older engine plumbing. Efficient use of higher ethanol fuels really requires a redesigned engine to take advantage of that fuel.

Here is an interesting article article on Ethanol fuel http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2...ollector-cars/

The pro and con takeaway from that link:
Pros of ethanol-supplemented fuel:

•Ethanol is clean-burning and is a higher-octane fuel than conventional gas.
•Ethanol is produced from renewable sources.
•Ethanol-powered vehicles produce lower carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide emissions, and lower levels of hydrocarbon and nitrogen oxide emissions.
•Ethanol production keeps American farmers in business and creates new farming and ethanol-processing jobs.
•Because ethanol is produced domestically, it reduces U.S. dependence on foreign oil and increases the nation’s energy independence.
•Ethanol needs fewer fossil (coal) and petroleum (gas) fuels to produce more BTU of energy than gasoline (although it does require much more water).

Cons of ethanol-supplemented fuel:

•Ethanol creates 34 percent less energy than unadulterated gasoline per gallon. This equals a loss in fuel economy of up to 3 miles per gallon for E10 fuels. In terms of heat, ethanol produces 76,330 BTU per gallon, whereas diesel fuel produces 128,450 BTU per gallon, gasoline 116,090 BTU per gallon and LP gas 84,950 BTU per gallon. The fuel economy gets even worse with E85, a loss of 7 to 8 miles per gallon with its higher ethanol content. Consumer Reports, testing in 2006, verified a loss in fuel economy of up to 30 percent in a Chevy Tahoe designed to run on flex fuel when it was tested with both unleaded gas and E85. Poor fuel economy can also be attributed to improper fuel system calibration based on computer feedback from oxygen sensors because of the temperatures needed to burn ethanol.
•Virtually any grain considered feedstock can be used to make ethanol, but some grains are better for producing ethanol than others. Corn happens to be one of the worst grains for making ethanol but we produce so much more of it than any other grain that it was the ingredient of choice for U.S. ethanol producers. In South America, ethanol is produced from sugar cane, which is easier to refine and gives a higher yield per acre than corn (1,200 gallons per acre vs. 300 gallons per acre of corn). The U.S. government did impose a 55 cents per gallon tariff to prevent the import of sugar cane-based ethanol into the United States, though that tariff has recently expired).
•Ethanol is hygroscopic, which means it absorbs water more easily than gasoline. That leads to water condensation inside fuel tanks, carburetor fuel bowls and fuel lines where air spaces are present. Water content in fuel will also swell up the paper filter media inside fuel filters not specifically designed for flex fuels and can thus restrict fuel flow at the filter.
•Ethanol also erodes fiberglass tanks, rubber hoses and plastic fuel lines. It contributes to rust in fuel systems by creating condensation in the unfilled portion of gas tanks. It will also dissolve varnish and rust in steel fuel components. These dissolved ingredients sit in the bottom of gas tanks until they are removed or they will enter the fuel system if the fuel level in the tank gets too low.
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Thanks for all your input! I'm just gonna stick with good ol' conventional gasoline!

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