is it the starter??
03-12-17, 11:53 AM
#1
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is it the starter??
This may be more of an "Automotive 101" question than purely Lexus-related but I'm hoping some of the more mechanically-literate members might be able to help. As I've mentioned before, our '99 RX300 mostly sits parked: in the summer it's our weekend beach car, and most of the rest of the year it may not get started for a couple of weeks at a time. The exception is during the New England winter, roughly January through March, but I'll get to that in a second.
When it was needing a jump start every weekend I had AAA install a new battery, which made a world of difference, except every once in a while it would not start on the first turn of the key. I chalked that up to having left too many things on - radio, heat-A/C, GPS - sapping too many of the 12v that the starter needs. It typically cranks and starts on the second or third turn of the key.
Now serving as my winter daily driver, I still don't go too far, sometimes not moving it for a day. I've found lately that more and more it won't start on that first turn, even though everything electrical is off and the new batter has plenty of juice, evidenced by the loud ringing of the seatbelt chime and bright display of dash lights. Just as I was starting to think that MAYBE the starter is on its way out, we hit a cold snap here - about 10°F - and it won't start at all. In discussing it with another old-timer (I'm 58), I was reminded of how, BITD, we'd tap a starter with a hammer at times like this, and it would usually start. I'm about to drag out my battery charger, hoping to overwhelm it with more amps than it typically needs.
Thoughts?
When it was needing a jump start every weekend I had AAA install a new battery, which made a world of difference, except every once in a while it would not start on the first turn of the key. I chalked that up to having left too many things on - radio, heat-A/C, GPS - sapping too many of the 12v that the starter needs. It typically cranks and starts on the second or third turn of the key.
Now serving as my winter daily driver, I still don't go too far, sometimes not moving it for a day. I've found lately that more and more it won't start on that first turn, even though everything electrical is off and the new batter has plenty of juice, evidenced by the loud ringing of the seatbelt chime and bright display of dash lights. Just as I was starting to think that MAYBE the starter is on its way out, we hit a cold snap here - about 10°F - and it won't start at all. In discussing it with another old-timer (I'm 58), I was reminded of how, BITD, we'd tap a starter with a hammer at times like this, and it would usually start. I'm about to drag out my battery charger, hoping to overwhelm it with more amps than it typically needs.
Thoughts?
03-12-17, 12:00 PM
#2
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Please read the sticky thread 'having problems start here'.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rx-...a-problem.html
When you say the vehicle is not starting it makes perfect sense to you, but for folks to help you (who are not present with you) a more elaborate explanation is required. Once you read the topic under starting issues, you can come back and explain it more to us.
Salim
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rx-...a-problem.html
When you say the vehicle is not starting it makes perfect sense to you, but for folks to help you (who are not present with you) a more elaborate explanation is required. Once you read the topic under starting issues, you can come back and explain it more to us.
Salim
Last edited by salimshah; 03-12-17 at 12:20 PM.
03-12-17, 03:59 PM
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Please read the sticky thread 'having problems start here'.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rx-...a-problem.html
When you say the vehicle is not starting it makes perfect sense to you, but for folks to help you (who are not present with you) a more elaborate explanation is required. Once you read the topic under starting issues, you can come back and explain it more to us.
Salim
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/rx-...a-problem.html
When you say the vehicle is not starting it makes perfect sense to you, but for folks to help you (who are not present with you) a more elaborate explanation is required. Once you read the topic under starting issues, you can come back and explain it more to us.
Salim
03-12-17, 04:00 PM
#4
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It would be helpful to know how many miles you have on your 99 RX. My 99 has 245K on it, and I have experienced your problem at two points in the car's life, and each time the solution (for me at least) was to rebuild the starter; first time at about 110K and the second time about another 100K later. It is extremely easy for a modestly competent DIYer to remove from the car, and the parts with which to rebuild it (contacts and plunger) cost no more than $20 total. At the dealer a new (or remanufactured) starter plus labor to install will probably cost you $600 or more. This is a common problem with Denso starters; had the same experience in my 2000 Subaru Outback.
03-12-17, 04:53 PM
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It would be helpful to know how many miles you have on your 99 RX. My 99 has 245K on it, and I have experienced your problem at two points in the car's life, and each time the solution (for me at least) was to rebuild the starter; first time at about 110K and the second time about another 100K later.
It is extremely easy for a modestly competent DIYer to remove from the car, and the parts with which to rebuild it (contacts and plunger) cost no more than $20 total. At the dealer a new (or remanufactured) starter plus labor to install will probably cost you $600 or more. This is a common problem with Denso starters; had the same experience in my 2000 Subaru Outback.
03-12-17, 06:15 PM
#6
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I have update my reply after re-reading post 3.
It seems like the ignition switch or the the PRND-safety switch. Try roving the gear to N or Park and see if the RX would at least click.
If you take the starter [starter and solenoid] out as a piece, you can have it bench tested at auto-parts-shop.
I would not get into the starter unless it is really needed and would limit the work to repairing the solenoid.
Salim
It seems like the ignition switch or the the PRND-safety switch. Try roving the gear to N or Park and see if the RX would at least click.
If you take the starter [starter and solenoid] out as a piece, you can have it bench tested at auto-parts-shop.
I would not get into the starter unless it is really needed and would limit the work to repairing the solenoid.
Salim
Last edited by salimshah; 03-12-17 at 09:45 PM.
03-13-17, 06:01 AM
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03-13-17, 07:58 AM
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If the solenoid contacts are bad, then you would at least hear the click form the primary side of the solenoid relay. I would trace +12v on the primary side. Battery, fuse, ignition switch, PRND switch solenoid. That is why I suggested to jump +12v to primary side of the solenoid [with the vehicle in P or N].
Solenoid primary [coil] can also go bad, but very unlikely.
Salim
Solenoid primary [coil] can also go bad, but very unlikely.
Salim
03-13-17, 10:19 AM
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Last edited by djeddieo; 03-13-17 at 10:43 AM.
03-13-17, 12:14 PM
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It seems the plunger is not moving. Electrical issue/mechanical issue are your problems. Do the test to confirm. See the middle post with blade post (not the two large bolted terminals) .. this is the point you want to jump.
Salim
Salim
Last edited by salimshah; 03-13-17 at 12:23 PM.
03-13-17, 12:38 PM
#12
Consider investing in an automatic float charger if you seldom drive the vehicle. It will keep the battery's cold cranking amps in check if it has enough electrolyte and enough cells are good.
03-14-17, 04:49 PM
#13
OK, let's ask this. When you turn the ignition to Start, does anything happen (click from the starter solenoid but no starter turning, engine turning over but not starting)? When you say it starts after the second or third turn, do you mean it does absolutely none of the above on the first turn and then starts normally on the second or third turn, or it turns over but doesn't fire on the first turn and then starts normally on the second or third? Could be a number of things (battery, ignition switch, solenoid, starter, fuel pump, etc) depending on precisely what's going on.
03-15-17, 03:21 PM
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OK, let's ask this. When you turn the ignition to Start, does anything happen (click from the starter solenoid but no starter turning, engine turning over but not starting)? When you say it starts after the second or third turn, do you mean it does absolutely none of the above on the first turn and then starts normally on the second or third turn, or it turns over but doesn't fire on the first turn and then starts normally on the second or third? Could be a number of things (battery, ignition switch, solenoid, starter, fuel pump, etc) depending on precisely what's going on.
... I turn the key and hear nothing, no clicks, no turning, but plenty of battery juice. I don't know how to determine whether it's solenoid or starter. Searches for "solenoid" reveal other issues with various non-starting problems, some I've already dealt with and corrected.
03-15-17, 05:04 PM
#15
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I have personally within the last year fixed two starters by replacing the solenoid contacts and plunger. Cost $15 from Amazon. In both cases the cars works great now.