I want to learn how to drift. I've watched YouTube videos and have a general sense of what to do and have tried donuts but I don't have it yet. I've also attended that Lexus performance driving School where we did donuts in an RCF, but it was very short and once I started sort of getting the donuts my session was pretty much over.

So for donuts, I put it on expert mode with traction off of course and keep it in first like they taught us at the school. Do I need to do that pedal dance to to get it in the expert expert mode?

I would love to learn to drift also. But not in this fancy *** car. I don’t think you can learn without a few mishaps.

I can kick the tail out very easily and it does very often especially on 90 degree turns mid corner, but never done full-on drifting.

Torsen LSD will be better then the TVD for drifting. Locked differential would be best.

That is not how LSD works. LSD is open until it starts to lose traction one wheel and it locks to shift the torque from the spinning wheel to the other wheel (known as 1.5 way locking). If it was locked 100% of the time, you would break your rear diff.

There is a reason why TVD costs more. TVD works the same way except it monitors it at 1/1000th of a second so it actually locks faster than the LSD. It will actually react a lot faster than a mechanical diff. Also, it allows more dynamic shift of torque side to side. The TVD is actually better for drifting because of how much rotation it offers through torque bursts with throttle tip-ins (or throttle steering) while suppressing understeer. LSD's major advantage is simplicity/lighter weight and that the driver has to manage the balance more proactively whereas, TVD will try to give more rotation with steering angle and via throttle. In LSD case, the driver would control how much understeer/oversteer you want in any situation, which many people call "more driver control".

Sorry my post was confusing I was not implying an LSD is a locked differential. I was trying to say an LSD is better than TVD, but a locked differential is best. (ideally you want wheel speeds on the axle to remain relatively equal when drifting). Most series drifters will even have their differential welded. I dont agree that they are basically the same.

An LSD applies a locking force to transfer torque to the wheel with more grip. ITtcannot deliver 100% torque to one wheel
The TVD allows for more torque to be sent to the outside wheel when cornering (the LSD will send torque to the wheel which is rotating at a slower speed). TVD helps induce yaw and rotate the vehicle. The system will choose in what situations it will send torque to either wheel rather than being reactive like an LSD.

This article explains it well

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/eng...table-for-you/

Can I drift? No.
Can the car drift? Yes
At the Lexus training they use RCF's for drifting. They put it in expert mode, traction off, Sport + Manual in 2nd gear. Wet down the track and let you have a go at it. Issue is you have to look where you want to go (center) but the rear is trying to go faster than you in the opposite lane where you are looking. Some guys in the class got around once...I looked the wrong way and nearly ended up in the autocross course. Was fun to do with their car...wouldn't want to do it with mine.

While what you wrote is theoratically all correct, I can tell you from personal experience, TVD makes the car very tail happy. This is because there are two motors that provide equally additional torque on each side (in addition to transferring side to side). Using a bit of throttle and some steering, the car always wants to really kick the tail loose especially in SLALOM mode. I believe it is because of the additional torque the motors provide to both wheels equally in the rear with slight throttle tip-ins (in SLALOM mode). With the additional torque bursts that come from in SLALOM mode with slight throttle changes mid-corner make it very easy to drift.

Here is a CF/TVD RCF drifting.

I never said you cant drift with a TVD, I said its not optimal. In order to drive you need to have both rear tires slipping - this is most effectively done when the rear differential is locked (and assuming you have enough power). People who drift literally will weld their differential (on open differential cars). The TVD doesn't work at all like an LSD. The TVD will give up to 0 to 100% power to whatever wheel depending on the programming (it never locks the rear differential) - and LSD can never give 100% power to one wheel. AnLSD has a torque bias ratio (TBR) which represents the amount of torque sent to the wheel with superior traction when one wheel starts slipping (its a fixed ratio depending on the gearing).

If you're really curios theres tons of information if you do a search. FWIW, my RCF does have the TVD/carbon package.

I just want to be clear, you do realize the TVD system is NOT delivering power independent of the engine. All it does is determine to which wheel (or how mUch power) each wheel gets (from the engine) in any given scenario. The motors apply pressure to the clutches (on either side) to determine how much power they each get.

https://mag.lexus.co.uk/lexus-torque...ial-explained/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=146&v=qwwFZAbYGW0&feature=emb_logo

Like what??

Why not, because the wear on tires?

No, because of the lack of control over where I would be going while learning and the likelihood that I would crash into something. I suppose if I lived near Bonneyville Salt Flats and had a couple square miles to practice in, I might give it a go; but it is not something on my bucket list.