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I haven't driven the Supra but I hear it's a blast and the suspension was re-worked differently by Toyota to differentiate between the Z4. I just don't see a turbo charged, 3,400lbs 2 seater to have anything in common with a 4,000lbs 2+2 luxury performance coupe. IMO I don't think the RCF fills that Supra role.
I saw a blue Supra on the way from the grocery once and I'd be lying if it didn't make my head turn.
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Same here. I like the new supra but as this point doesn't fit my needs and the RCF is more well rounded day to day
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I admire the Supra and it is a great car for its target audience. RCF is the car for me and absolutely adore it. Every time even firing it up in the garage with the V8 coming to life with an explosion, really makes my day. No right or wrong here, IMO.
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You are right on most account except a few things...
RCF is actually not a big car in terms of size. It is quite wide, but its length is barely a bit bigger than a 3IS at 185 inches. Just the Supra is a tiny 2 seater.
None of us are professional track drivers so getting even to 8/10ths of RCF's capabilities is not possible for us. However, the RCF TE actually was 1.5 seconds faster than the Supra in the R&T PCOTY contest around Thunderhill. Gearbangin owns both a Supra and an RCF carbon/TVD. His stock best lap on both cars was quite close. I believe 2:02 with the RCF (with exhaust) and around a 2:01 with the stock Supra
I love the TVD in how it makes the car nimble for non-pro drivers like us. I believe you mean the older versions of F30/F80 M3/M4 that RCF was quite close to it when it came out in 2015 despite the weight difference.
RCF is actually not a big car in terms of size. It is quite wide, but its length is barely a bit bigger than a 3IS at 185 inches. Just the Supra is a tiny 2 seater.
None of us are professional track drivers so getting even to 8/10ths of RCF's capabilities is not possible for us. However, the RCF TE actually was 1.5 seconds faster than the Supra in the R&T PCOTY contest around Thunderhill. Gearbangin owns both a Supra and an RCF carbon/TVD. His stock best lap on both cars was quite close. I believe 2:02 with the RCF (with exhaust) and around a 2:01 with the stock Supra
I love the TVD in how it makes the car nimble for non-pro drivers like us. I believe you mean the older versions of F30/F80 M3/M4 that RCF was quite close to it when it came out in 2015 despite the weight difference.
The RC F is a big car though, while the supra is much lighter and probably more agile. The RC F weighs over 2 tons with the driver in it, so its not too surprising it acts a little understeery on a track. I actually do think that despite it's weight, it actually handles it's weight quite well and maybe even uses it to it's advantage in the corners. It almost looks like it could keep up with an older M3 in corners. I think it's cornering capability has to do with how they made the suspension use the weight to generate a perfect amount of body roll and then slip out of the corner. What I really like is how, if you want serious lap times, you can achieve them, but if you want to drift around and have fun, you can do that too, all with a change in driving style. The readiness and different personalities of the RC F are amazing. The TVD also makes it handle a lot better from what I've read. I would rather have the RC F instead of a new supra because the RC F might be heavier, but it has more spirit and maybe even more agility than the new Supra. No doubt its a heavy car though
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You are right on most account except a few things...
RCF is actually not a big car in terms of size. It is quite wide, but its length is barely a bit bigger than a 3IS at 185 inches. Just the Supra is a tiny 2 seater.
None of us are professional track drivers so getting even to 8/10ths of RCF's capabilities is not possible for us. However, the RCF TE actually was 1.5 seconds faster than the Supra in the R&T PCOTY contest around Thunderhill. Gearbangin owns both a Supra and an RCF carbon/TVD. His stock best lap on both cars was quite close. I believe 2:02 with the RCF (with exhaust) and around a 2:01 with the stock Supra
I love the TVD in how it makes the car nimble for non-pro drivers like us. I believe you mean the older versions of F30/F80 M3/M4 that RCF was quite close to it when it came out in 2015 despite the weight difference.
RCF is actually not a big car in terms of size. It is quite wide, but its length is barely a bit bigger than a 3IS at 185 inches. Just the Supra is a tiny 2 seater.
None of us are professional track drivers so getting even to 8/10ths of RCF's capabilities is not possible for us. However, the RCF TE actually was 1.5 seconds faster than the Supra in the R&T PCOTY contest around Thunderhill. Gearbangin owns both a Supra and an RCF carbon/TVD. His stock best lap on both cars was quite close. I believe 2:02 with the RCF (with exhaust) and around a 2:01 with the stock Supra
I love the TVD in how it makes the car nimble for non-pro drivers like us. I believe you mean the older versions of F30/F80 M3/M4 that RCF was quite close to it when it came out in 2015 despite the weight difference.
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We are talking subjectively, but RCF on MOST tracks is quite a lot quicker than the previous gen E90/E92 M3. I meant, Randy Pobst had RCF and '15 M4 in just 3/10ths of each other in 2015. Then again, none of us are pro drivers here so I personally don't care anymore about bragging rights for numbers. We are really talking subjectively for the most part. The RCF seems to follow lineage more closely. 2 +2, luxury, practicality and high performance blend. That is why OP said RCF is the new Supra.
The TE Is a beast, but that car seems to be probably a lot more stable than the stock one. That is generally impressive that the RC F got a 2:02. And yes, I was meaning a older version like a 2011 or 2010 M4. The Supra does have less power though, so it makes sense that the RC F could keep up. I have a feeling the Supra would do better in corners, but maybe not since the RC F might have a better suspension setup, so the stock RC F might be able to pull away from the Supra in corners (and in braking). I genuinely am disappointed by how people compare this to the modern M3/M4. This car isn't a full on race car, it isn't as agile as a M4, it isn't as fast as an M4, but I don't think it was mean't to challenge the M4. To me, I really can't compare it to a BMW M4 or a Mercedes. It seems like it's in it's own class, and thats why I like it.
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Personally, given the choice, I would take the RC F in a heart beat - a car that truly has Lexus' DNA through and through, and furthermore, I dislike the seating/outward visibility of the Supra compared to the RC F.
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We are talking subjectively, but RCF on MOST tracks is quite a lot quicker than the previous gen E90/E92 M3. I meant, Randy Pobst had RCF and '15 M4 in just 3/10ths of each other in 2015. Then again, none of us are pro drivers here so I personally don't care anymore about bragging rights for numbers. We are really talking subjectively for the most part. The RCF seems to follow lineage more closely. 2 +2, luxury, practicality and high performance blend. That is why OP said RCF is the new Supra.
The MKIV Supra is an icon, yes in large part because of The Fast & the Furious, but still, it's an iconic car. Those of us that are between the ages of say 30 and 50 will always have a soft spot of nostalgia for those cars.
The RC F is undeniably a Lexus. It's not trying to be a Supra and never was. However, I think it does try to capture those of us that may have had a poster of the Supra on our walls when we were younger, but now need something a little more comfortable, luxurious and elegant... yet still have enough whimsy in us to buy a coupe instead of a sedan.
The new Supra is something altogether different. It's nice, but it has lost its roots. I wish they'd have just called it something different, and then I think it would have gotten more of a chance. I still don't know how well they're selling.
Bottom line though, I'd take a pristine MKIV TT Supra with a manual gearbox over most cars for a nice garage queen that I would take out a few times a month. I'd definitely take one over my RC F, and I love the RC F. The MKIV is an icon though.
The RC F is undeniably a Lexus. It's not trying to be a Supra and never was. However, I think it does try to capture those of us that may have had a poster of the Supra on our walls when we were younger, but now need something a little more comfortable, luxurious and elegant... yet still have enough whimsy in us to buy a coupe instead of a sedan.
The new Supra is something altogether different. It's nice, but it has lost its roots. I wish they'd have just called it something different, and then I think it would have gotten more of a chance. I still don't know how well they're selling.
Bottom line though, I'd take a pristine MKIV TT Supra with a manual gearbox over most cars for a nice garage queen that I would take out a few times a month. I'd definitely take one over my RC F, and I love the RC F. The MKIV is an icon though.
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There are other luxury items adding weight like 18 speaker ML system, 70 lbs each front seats, cooling systems etc.
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