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Old Mar 29, 2020 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by lobuxracer
There is no indication at 100% ever for the accelerator position or the throttle position. That's consistent across all Toyota engine management.
So the purple line was showing throttle plate position, so when it reached it's peak, that was WOT?
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So the purple line was showing throttle plate position, so when it reached it's peak, that was WOT?
That's throttleplate position when requesting WOT with the accelerator pedal.
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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by lobuxracer
That's throttleplate position when requesting WOT with the accelerator pedal.
yup, that was my question. So I think what I'm getting from this is that no matter if you press the kickdown switch down or not, its still full throttle. Am I right?

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Old Mar 30, 2020 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Yri
yup, that was my question. So I think what I'm getting from this is that no matter if you press the kickdown switch down or not, its still full throttle. Am I right?
Yes, that's exactly what I said in post #27
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Old Mar 31, 2020 | 10:37 AM
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So if the kick down switch does nothing to throttle position maybe it does put the car into some sort of fuel enrichment mode or revised programming map to enhance performance in some way?
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Originally Posted by CinFulxgs
So if the kick down switch does nothing to throttle position maybe it does put the car into some sort of fuel enrichment mode or revised programming map to enhance performance in some way?
Think it really just puts it in a lower gear. Higher RPMs will enhance performance anyway.
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Old Mar 31, 2020 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by CinFulxgs
So if the kick down switch does nothing to throttle position maybe it does put the car into some sort of fuel enrichment mode or revised programming map to enhance performance in some way?
Enrichment would be counterproductive. These engines are tuned rich from the factory in the first place, so adding even more fuel would only cause further fuel dilution of the oil and would overwork the cats. I think all it does is tells the TCU you want the lowest gear the engine will handle.
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I wonder what RPM you have to be below for it to automatically downshift when you push the switch
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Originally Posted by lobuxracer
Enrichment would be counterproductive. These engines are tuned rich from the factory in the first place, so adding even more fuel would only cause further fuel dilution of the oil and would overwork the cats. I think all it does is tells the TCU you want the lowest gear the engine will handle.
I was just watching a video on the M4, could it work like the BMW? If you are in manual mode and engage the kick down and then click the down shift paddle it automatically jumps to the lowest possible gear instead of having to go through all the gears on the way down? Someone test this :P
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Originally Posted by CinFulxgs
I was just watching a video on the M4, could it work like the BMW? If you are in manual mode and engage the kick down and then click the down shift paddle it automatically jumps to the lowest possible gear instead of having to go through all the gears on the way down? Someone test this :P
I can tell you with complete confidence the IS F does not do this. I've had the car on the track in Sport/Manual mode and done exactly this and only dropped one gear every time.

The GS F might be different, but I can test it in the next day or so.
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Old Apr 2, 2020 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lobuxracer
I can tell you with complete confidence the IS F does not do this. I've had the car on the track in Sport/Manual mode and done exactly this and only dropped one gear every time.

The GS F might be different, but I can test it in the next day or so.
I don't mind the auto downshift feature on the IS F (even in manual mode) because it only downshifts one gear (unless if you're like in 8th gear on the highway barely taching the engine and you punch it), where as the BMW's system is just too automated, like, I wouldn't want my own car downshifting 3 gears automatically in manual mode. Here's a video I found of this feature being displayed in a BMW:
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Originally Posted by LoSt180
yup, it's 100% throttle opening before the switch. There might be load or timing differences, but my test proves the throttle position isn't affected by a transmission kick down switch.
Agreed, it's a tranny trick. Just like the old 'passing gear' on the 70's muscle cars. With the kick down to a lower gear, you'll feel the surge from the torque. Surge/boost isn't from a throttle position increase, just a good old NA V8 Kick down.. that torque is what endears the RC-F to us.
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