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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 08:12 AM
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...That's an F-Sport emblem, on an IS 350.
I see, I can't really tell if that is an F-sport...or IS-F. I can't see that Quad pipe. But if it is IS350. That is Very Impressive.

I know the V6 in the RX350 is very linear, and strong, but for it to be that strong ? hmmm very interesting

I have to say I love the sounds of the Stock RX350 engine at Maximum Rev line. It sounds almost like a Race car....LOLZ. I remember my wife was asking me "Why so loud ? I thought RX350 is supposed to be Quiet and Strong? But it sounds like it is running the Smoke out of it"

I replied "Honey, I Floored the pedal...and that means the car is Extremely good"

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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir
I see, I can't really tell if that is an F-sport...or IS-F. I can't see that Quad pipe. But if it is IS350. That is Very Impressive.

I know the V6 in the RX350 is very linear, and strong, but for it to be that strong ? hmmm very interesting

I have to say I love the sounds of the Stock RX350 engine at Maximum Rev line. It sounds almost like a Race car....LOLZ. I remember my wife was asking me "Why so loud ? I thought RX350 is supposed to be Quiet and Strong? But it sounds like it is running the Smoke out of it"

I replied "Honey, I Floored the pedal...and that means the car is Extremely good"
Both engines in the RX and IS/GS are Toyota's bread and butter. Age old (by automotive standards) but can still give the germans a run for their money.

Although the 2GR is a little low on torque by today's standards, it'll do fine in the RC for now. FOR NOW lol.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by natnut
Considering the fact that the IS350 out-slaloms the current 335i and both RCF and M4 are based on their respective IS and 3 series platforms, looks like a pretty good bet that the RC-F may be more than the M4 can handle.

The M4 is already operating from an inferior base platform compared to the RC-F (handling-wise). Now it remains to be seen how their respective powertrains stack up to each other : NA V8 vs turbo IL6.
the 335i/435i are artificially held back for the sake of the M3/M4. especially now that the M cars will also be turbo straight 6s. for example, AFAIK the 335i/435i still doesnt come with a LSD standard or even as an option. so its very possible that the RC350 drives better than the 435i, but the 4 series has received good reviews.

as for the M4, i fully expect it to be a beast. you cant extrapolate the M4's performance from the 435i. the RCF may offer a better driving experience (NA V8 anyone?) but that's really what they should be targeting anyways, because the numbers will surely favor the M4.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by madfast
the 335i/435i are artificially held back for the sake of the M3/M4. especially now that the M cars will also be turbo straight 6s. for example, AFAIK the 335i/435i still doesnt come with a LSD standard or even as an option. so its very possible that the RC350 drives better than the 435i, but the 4 series has received good reviews.

as for the M4, i fully expect it to be a beast. you cant extrapolate the M4's performance from the 435i. the RCF may offer a better driving experience (NA V8 anyone?) but that's really what they should be targeting anyways, because the numbers will surely favor the M4.
Yeah, the M4 will be a beast. Very exciting match up.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir
I see, I can't really tell if that is an F-sport...or IS-F. I can't see that Quad pipe. But if it is IS350. That is Very Impressive.

I know the V6 in the RX350 is very linear, and strong, but for it to be that strong ? hmmm very interesting

I have to say I love the sounds of the Stock RX350 engine at Maximum Rev line. It sounds almost like a Race car....LOLZ. I remember my wife was asking me "Why so loud ? I thought RX350 is supposed to be Quiet and Strong? But it sounds like it is running the Smoke out of it"

I replied "Honey, I Floored the pedal...and that means the car is Extremely good"
rx? how does rx engine come into play here?
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rominl
rx? how does rx engine come into play here?
They use the same engine
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir
They use the same engine
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hint: primary drive wheels of rx and is
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
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hint: primary drive wheels of rx and is
oooooooo oooooooo I know this! Both are AWD Track!

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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir
They use the same engine
Not really. The engines are in the same family, but the RX (& the ES and a bunch of other Toyotas) uses the 2GR-FE which is transverse mounted (since the RX is FWD basically). That engine is port injected and puts out 266 HP.

The IS350 uses the 2GR-FSE which is longitudinally mounted, has direct injection as well as port injection and puts out 305 HP. The engines have similarities but the engine in the IS & GS is different. The 2GR-FSE has been on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for multiple years, the 2GR-FE never has.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir
They use the same engine
not the same engine at all. the rx one doesn't have direct injection and make noticeably less power

the is350 is very fast and it has a different engine. the one in rx350 and es350 is smooth and better gas mileage, but it has nothing against the is350

from lexus.com
is350 0-60 5.6
es350 0-60 7.1
rx350 0-60 7.7

es350 has better gas mileage, but it's very slow compared to the is350 (and 335i) when it comes to performance. i use es350 but it shares the same engine as rx350. that engine is not strong in terms of performance at all.

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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitigir
That...Is not an IS350.

That is an I-S-F (IS-F). You can clearly see the F emblem. It is two different animals. ISF is also almost twice the price of an IS350.
NO! It's an IS350 with F-sports package. Just bigger wheels and different style to the regular IS350
Even sounds exactly the same as my IS350;

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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by yardie876
Both engines in the RX and IS/GS are Toyota's bread and butter. Age old (by automotive standards) but can still give the germans a run for their money.

Although the 2GR is a little low on torque by today's standards, it'll do fine in the RC for now. FOR NOW lol.
But these engines have world class torque per litre. 380Nm from a 3.5L V6 in the 2GR-FSE is extremely impressive. And the curve is smooth and very linear.

And the regular 268HP 2GR is stronger than what those figures suggest and it's velvety smooth.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 04:39 PM
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i have a feeling that nobody will get smarter on RC after reading past few pages of chat :-)

we should double focus on actual RC and RC-F in question here and not post pics and videos of some other cars.
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 04:53 PM
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I agree...
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Old Dec 10, 2013 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
not the same engine at all. the rx one doesn't have direct injection and make noticeably less power

the is350 is very fast and it has a different engine. the one in rx350 and es350 is smooth and better gas mileage, but it has nothing against the is350

from lexus.com
is350 0-60 5.6
es350 0-60 7.1
rx350 0-60 7.7

es350 has better gas mileage, but it's very slow compared to the is350 (and 335i) when it comes to performance. i use es350 but it shares the same engine as rx350. that engine is not strong in terms of performance at all.
Did lexus bump the 0 to 60 estimate for the IS350 back up to 5.6? Back in 2010 they officially decreased it from 5.6 to 5.3 because they thought 5.6 was underrating it too much.
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