where are we on this?

 

Jay:

What do we need to do to get this done? Both sides, please. Do we need to come up with a certain amount of cash to jig it and get the p[rototype done? If so, let's work out the details between those that are willing to step up, and get these made.

Thanks,

Altstadt

 

I'm with Altstadt on this. I'm more than willing shell out some cash in an effort to establish a time frame estimate to this project. Have you heard anything, JBrady? Is the shop still planning on taking on this project, or have they reconsidered due to their recent hardships? I can see where he may be weary to get involved, not knowing how serious his potential buyers are. However, there are those of us willing to contribute monitarily to get the ball rolling.
No blame for the delays can be placed on you, J, as you've done all the legwork up to this point arranging this and tracking down the various stock manifolds. Thanks also goes out to those who have sent cash in regard to that endeavor. There are plenty more of us out here willng to contribute, just let us know.
Maybe you could ask the shop what it would cost just to produce the prototypes. With all of the interest this thread has generated, and the seemingly large number of those committed, we should be able to get this to move forward if we all chip in. You have to admit guys, $600 is pretty cheap for a pair of custom fabricated headers. Couldn't we all agree on an initial fee to get them designed, then worry about each of us getting a set?
To the point of the matter, who else is willing to step up now to get this moving forward?
I'm in,obviously.
Altstadt, I'm assuming you're in, based on your last post.
Who else?

 

John knows I'm in!

 

I think its more then fair for real buyers to put up a deposti now to get the ball rolling on these. The gains are there to be had everyone, 600 bucks is a STEAL!

I for one, would be willing to help out the costs.

 

As I said, I am in, if JBrady can get us a real and reasonable commitment

Altstadt

 

Since I have actually worked for a turbo system manufacturer I understand how projects can get delayed especially in a small shop and the loss of a key employee. However, this situation is getting way way to old. I have actually spoken with another fabricator and emailed another. The first one is a very capable shop that makes stainless steel headers for many applications. I had them laser cut my flanges for my cat back project. His price is in the $800 range. Since I don't currently have the stock manifolds (they are at the first fabricators shop) and I am too busy to work on this at the moment... I did not question him further about R&D and money requirements. They can also duplicate existing manifolds.

Another option may be emerging as a friend of mine is starting to set up a shop and already has a MIG welder. I "MAY" consider building prototypes headers myself. Depending on the access to proper tools and the time and money... we shall see.

At the moment the best option is still the first option if I can persuade him to do SOMETHING.

 

You've got a shop that will make custom headers for $1100? Seems like a reasonable price given the difficulty of coming up with someone to design and fabricate them for $600. Why not put together a group buy and get the price down to the $800 to $900 range?

 

I asked a very reputable shop and asked for a quote for set of headders made for my car(92sc400). I met the guy and sat with him and he looked at my car and told me this.

If i make 1 off set then it will cost $1500 flat fee. +$270 if i do SS

if i make 1 jig set(template set) for the headders it will be $5000 + $900 for each set of SS headders made.

I I know jbrady knows this person well but is this guy really going to make a $5000 jig set for something that he doens't know he can sell?

this means any number of headders made under 8 sets it would make no difference if he makes one off's for 8 cars or 1 jig set and 8 individual headders.

If 20 people put up all the money up front that would mean.
$5000/20= $250 + $900 = $1150 per SS headder

I was also told that it takes about 10 days to make a one off headder and about 20 days to make a jig set and 1 headder per day from the jig set (can't stop doing everything else).

If you guys want to get this made you have to (given the above assumptions)

1. Ask the guy if he had all the money up front if he would do it.
2. How long it would take.
3. have at least 20 people pony up all the money (this makes the template cost absorption a little easier)
4. Think about what you are going to do with the template(have it become property of CL?)

If Jbrady's guy can do it cheaper then it would be awesome. But you would really need 20 or so people to pony up all the money and be willing to wait 6 weeks before the 1st set of headders are made.

I'm not trying to hold a group buy, just trying to clarify the process a little.

P.S. add installation cost which is not cheap either.

 

i find it really hard to believe there aren't even a handful of JDM/US tuners producing some kind of header system for the v8 aristos.

I really hope something happens with this, even if the cost were 800-1000 it'd be worth it for some serious gains that are just waiting to be uncorked.

Imagine the power with the SRT intake, headers and a good flowing exhaust!

 

Well, spoke with the "man" and he is sincere and apologetic but he just cannot get to this project until at least the end of summer. He has the manifolds I sent him in his office but is just too far behind current schedules to do it.

As VSsc400 reports... custom headers are NOT cheap. The price I was quoted, $400 uncoated, $600 coated is CHEAP for a quality product. The other shops quote of $800 in stainless is also CHEAP. But, these cars have a small true performance following and the installation is beyond the average person. So, we still have no choices other than Tex's headers or custom one-offs.

As far as building jigs... $5000 is too expensive and probably for full length headers. The first thing to jig is capturing the head and cat inlet flange locations. From there, pipes are designed to fit that space and other limitations such as motor mounts, steering columns, shock towers, etc. Once a design has been built it needs to be tested for fitment and performance (although beating the stock manifolds performance will not be hard). Then actual duplication jigging is built that allows the design to be copied over and over. This is all part of Research and Development (R&D) and the cost must be made up from profit on the part sale.

Our guy is doing us a HUGE favor by not asking for up front money. Of course a number of you guys chipped in to buy the stock manifolds and cover some other costs like shipping. (thanks again guys )

So, at this point we either stay patient or look for other choices. I will keep working on this end.

 

$all the above prices that i was quoted was for full length headders.

I've decided to go another route but if it doesn't pan out i would like to get in one of these headders..

thanks jbrady

dennis

 

Does anyone know what is going on with these headers? If its a no then I will have a guy make them up. If it is a yes on them then I will just wait. I am not setting up a group buy . If I have a guy make these for a On my GS, how many of you guys are interested in putting a deposit? Also, I am going to ask him prices. But, how many guys here are actually willing to pay over 900 or 1000 for headers?

 

I'm in. I did put a private mail already
Hope I can get those "short" headers soon like everyone else.

 

at $600 or $800, I would definitely want a set. at $1000-$1100, I'm not as confident.....