Notices
NX - 1st Gen (2015-2021)

Official Lexus NX thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 16, 2014 | 05:12 PM
  #1651  
RXSF's Avatar
RXSF
CL Community Team
15 Year Member
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
Community Builder
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,549
Likes: 230
From: San Francisco, CA
Default

he might be over selling it a bit... lol
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 05:28 PM
  #1652  
Hoovey689's Avatar
Hoovey689
2UR-GSE Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 42,476
Likes: 321
From: California
Default

Looks promising, but is this going to out handle a Macan?
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 05:34 PM
  #1653  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 20,238
Likes: 274
Default

Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
that's cool, but I think a Macan is some stiff competition
i doubt they are benchmarking Macan, as it is a lot more expensive... he is probably thinking X3 and Q5. At least we saw them in those testing spy shots long time ago.

I just checked Macan pricing... with same equipment as top end NX, it is $86k.... wow.
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 05:44 PM
  #1654  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 20,238
Likes: 274
Default

Originally Posted by RXSF
he might be over selling it a bit... lol
if this was Lexus US/EU PR, sure... but as we know, these Japanese engineers are not usually big into boasts. Last time I heard something like that was GS/IS and it was delivered.
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 05:44 PM
  #1655  
LexBob2's Avatar
LexBob2
Lexus Champion
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,543
Likes: 275
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by RXSF
he might be over selling it a bit... lol
Yup, videos like this are part information and part marketing. Mainly marketing to get the word out and create interest..
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 05:48 PM
  #1656  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 20,238
Likes: 274
Default

Originally Posted by sg021
I am interested as well, they're certainly talking a big game. I thought it was kind of funny that the shortcomings of "competitor" vehicles are probably most glaring in the RX much more so than the Germans.

The X3 feels very sure footed, so if the NX can compete with that I'll be very happy. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in and answer one question I had. The NX wheelbase is about 6 inches shorter than the X3 despite only being about an inch shorter overall. I'm sure there are more factors in play, but isn't this going to negatively affect the handling?
Shorter wheelbase is better for sport driving, worse for comfort. Vehicle with shorter wheelbase are more agile obviously - this is why RC has shorter wheelbase and why reviews mention old IS feels nimbler than new one.

Worse is that they get easier unsettled with bumps, which is why they probably have that new AVS with 30 different settings and show us bump handling in the video.
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 05:57 PM
  #1657  
LexBob2's Avatar
LexBob2
Lexus Champion
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,543
Likes: 275
From: Illinois
Default

Originally Posted by sg021
I am interested as well, they're certainly talking a big game. I thought it was kind of funny that the shortcomings of "competitor" vehicles are probably most glaring in the RX much more so than the Germans.

The X3 feels very sure footed, so if the NX can compete with that I'll be very happy. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in and answer one question I had. The NX wheelbase is about 6 inches shorter than the X3 despite only being about an inch shorter overall. I'm sure there are more factors in play, but isn't this going to negatively affect the handling?
For some additional perspective, wheelbase on some of the competition:

110.6 X3
110.5 Q5
108.5 GLK
105.7 RDX
104.8 Evoque

Last edited by LexBob2; May 16, 2014 at 06:03 PM.
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 06:06 PM
  #1658  
Hoovey689's Avatar
Hoovey689
2UR-GSE Owner
15 Year Member
iTrader: (16)
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 42,476
Likes: 321
From: California
Default

^ I also doubt they benchmarked the Macan, my point being it may may be the best (NX) handling SUV especially when price is considered, but outright I'm sure the Macan is actually a better handler. I'd love to be proven wrong though
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 07:05 PM
  #1659  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 20,238
Likes: 274
Default

Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
^ I also doubt they benchmarked the Macan, my point being it may may be the best (NX) handling SUV especially when price is considered, but outright I'm sure the Macan is actually a better handler. I'd love to be proven wrong though
i am also not so sure that he is talking about handling only... to me seems that he was saying that current SUVs were too one handed - either sport or comfort, which is certainly true for Q5 for instance...

And still, I guess they should put asterix when they talk, so people dont think they are comparing their cars with ones that are $35k more expensive.
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 07:15 PM
  #1660  
LexBob2's Avatar
LexBob2
Lexus Champion
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 12,543
Likes: 275
From: Illinois
Default

"In its segment" is a good qualifier when discussing this stuff.
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 07:20 PM
  #1661  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 20,238
Likes: 274
Default

Originally Posted by LexBob2
"In its segment" is a good qualifier when discussing this stuff.
i was just reading Autobild comparo:
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/porsc...h-5085533.html

And Macan is the best BUT (performance wise, they rated it under Q5 overall when price was included) they say difference to Q5 is not big, and is due to unique for class air suspension... price difference in test was $20k. Powertrain/breaking was almost the same, as they use same engine and weight almost the same... so basically, $20k for a bit better suspension and Porsche logo.
Reply
Old May 16, 2014 | 07:32 PM
  #1662  
corradoMR2's Avatar
corradoMR2
Thread Starter
The pursuit of F
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 8,296
Likes: 303
From: Toronto, Canada
Default

Macan was not around while building the NX so I doubt it will be the best handling SUV for the 2015 MY, but I can see it being better than a Q5, X3, and Evoque since NX mules were often caught testing alongside these vehicle. But if like the IS, overall, my bet is the NX will be a best all-around performer (comfort and handling considered).





Reply
Old May 17, 2014 | 03:03 AM
  #1663  
Nights's Avatar
Nights
Pole Position
 
Joined: Jul 2013
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
From: NSW, Australia
Default

Originally Posted by Hoovey2411
Looks promising, but is this going to out handle a Macan?
If it handles better than the Q5, that'll be fine, considering the Macan is based off the Q5 chassis, and it'll no doubt be far more expensive, especially when you factor in Porsche's rather pricey option list.
Reply
Old May 17, 2014 | 05:58 AM
  #1664  
spwolf's Avatar
spwolf
Lexus Fanatic
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 20,238
Likes: 274
Default

Originally Posted by Nights
If it handles better than the Q5, that'll be fine, considering the Macan is based off the Q5 chassis, and it'll no doubt be far more expensive, especially when you factor in Porsche's rather pricey option list.
in any case, words are cheap... who cares about words.

However, I would also not like it if it is too harsh... Q5 is pretty harsh. I would hope they striked the balance like with IS and GS.
Reply
Old May 17, 2014 | 07:42 AM
  #1665  
natnut's Avatar
natnut
Pole Position
 
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,602
Likes: 89
From: Singapore
Default

Originally Posted by sg021
I am interested as well, they're certainly talking a big game. I thought it was kind of funny that the shortcomings of "competitor" vehicles are probably most glaring in the RX much more so than the Germans.

The X3 feels very sure footed, so if the NX can compete with that I'll be very happy. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in and answer one question I had. The NX wheelbase is about 6 inches shorter than the X3 despite only being about an inch shorter overall. I'm sure there are more factors in play, but isn't this going to negatively affect the handling?
Considering the RX is not in the same class as the NX and hence not the NX's direct competitor, there's no contradiction in the NX Chief Engineer's claims.

He said that they tested the NX's competitor before tuning the NX's suspension. The X3 is one of the competitors to the NX as they target the same segment.

RX is not in the same class as the NX and also is from the previous Lexus era.

The newer Lexus' following Akio Toyoda's company mandate for better/class-leading handling and driving involvement date from the 2012 4th gen GS onwards (including the 2013 3rd gen IS). Thus far the products under the new direction of Lexus have live up to the claims : GS and IS are class leading or at the very least superior to their direct BMW counterparts in handling and surefootedness, the 5 series and 3 series. If the NX follows the same pattern, the X3 may well be eating NX fumes on the winding road/slalom.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:36 AM.