LFA and Paris Hilton
What was posted was from my personal experience going through the application process, which is similar to the experiences reported by others on this board who went through the process (and received an allocation).
Most of the point of my post was actually what Lexus didn't say (or do).
I think those can go hand in hand, though. Many people simply can't stand the idea of the LFA... who knows exactly why that is, whether it is people who just can't get past their preconceptions and existing biases, or they feel their inferior quality lux brand is even more devalued because they can't just refer to Lexus as totally boring, or they just have their panties in a bunch because Lexus didn't approach them and their buddies to beg them to buy one. We know this is true because the IS-F got the same treatment when it came out and the LFA often gets sandbagged in magazine reviews (just look at, say, CAR, which relied entirely on daily driving characteristics in order to claim the SLS as a winner). But whatever the reason for this hate, the result is that Lexus and the LFA have become enemy #1 in their eyes and so they want to see Lexus fail in every way possible. A good starting point for them is to attack what they perceive to be Lexus' marketing and also hope that the LFA doesn't sell at all in the US.
Most of the point of my post was actually what Lexus didn't say (or do).
I think those can go hand in hand, though. Many people simply can't stand the idea of the LFA... who knows exactly why that is, whether it is people who just can't get past their preconceptions and existing biases, or they feel their inferior quality lux brand is even more devalued because they can't just refer to Lexus as totally boring, or they just have their panties in a bunch because Lexus didn't approach them and their buddies to beg them to buy one. We know this is true because the IS-F got the same treatment when it came out and the LFA often gets sandbagged in magazine reviews (just look at, say, CAR, which relied entirely on daily driving characteristics in order to claim the SLS as a winner). But whatever the reason for this hate, the result is that Lexus and the LFA have become enemy #1 in their eyes and so they want to see Lexus fail in every way possible. A good starting point for them is to attack what they perceive to be Lexus' marketing and also hope that the LFA doesn't sell at all in the US.
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The part that bugs me most is the fact that it is so limited at 500 production units. Otherwise, who cares if Paris Hilton is one of the owners especially if Lexus built as many as they could sell during the next 4-5 years (which I wish they were). But one out of 500 going to anyone who doesn't live their life for cars is a bit aggravating. The LFA should be valued like a child. 
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The part that bugs me most is the fact that it is so limited at 500 production units. Otherwise, who cares if Paris Hilton is one of the owners. But one out of 500 going to anyone who doesn't live their life for cars is a bit aggravating. The LFA should be valued like a child.
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to me what i see is a lot of good discussions on the car, some solely (and extreme) on performance, and some on marketing / sales / branding. there are a lot of good information, both positive and negatives, and a lot of times they can get critical. and hate? what is hate? i guess it's just stuff that people don't like to hear, simple as that. but i find myself separating hate and criticism quite well, at least in my eyes.
An extensive selection process geared towards racing enthusiasts? Not based in fact.
Lexus saying that they were only going to select enthusiasts? Not based in fact.
"all the rejections"? Not based in fact - at least not that we have evidence for.
What emotions drive people to this? Love for a selection process that doesn't exist? Hate for a car that they can't understand? Who knows. But it's based in fantasy. That was my point in bringing up emotions like hate.
Haha, you think people can't stand the idea of the LFA? The reason the argument gets posted over and over is because the entire basis for the opinion seems to escape you in the first place. Lexus had a flawed marketing strategy, regarding of the brilliance of the car, they simply made assumptions based on what they already knew, not what they didn't know and the LFA suffers as a result of that arrogance.
I'm also quite sorry you still take so much umbrage that you and your group of buddies didn't get your butts kissed by Lexus like you wanted. And if you really think I don't have thick skin, consider we've had to deal with you on this board for more than a year now.
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You can make all of the excuse you want, but when people say things like "oh this LFA is going to get beaten the ***** out of by R8 V10", "A 599 GTB would kill this POS", "A GTR would eat this thing and cost 1/3rd of the price", "they should cancel this overpriced POS since no one will buy it". This is nothing, but hate. No other way to explain it. 99% of the criticim is all that. No one ever mentions LFA was "not marketed right or Lexus did not pick the owners wisely". Only you keep repeating it.
I know lots of places on the internet where people were claiming when LFA was getting delivered to customers that it is all a hoax and all these people are Lexus employees faking customers just to give people the impression that they sold any LFA. These posts also linked to someone on this board [wink! wink!]. Who in the right mind ever says that?? Did anyone ever hear someone saying that about a Ferrari?? Never in my life.
Your obsession with how Lexus LFA is absurd. If you did not talk about it, there will be no one bringing it up.
It has nothing to do with marketing. You continue to just say the samething over and over again because you are really obsessed with how Lexus LFA took pride in the LFA and wanted it to be marketed in a way that it does end up in collectors garage gathering dust.
Rest is all a figment of your imagination.
I know lots of places on the internet where people were claiming when LFA was getting delivered to customers that it is all a hoax and all these people are Lexus employees faking customers just to give people the impression that they sold any LFA. These posts also linked to someone on this board [wink! wink!]. Who in the right mind ever says that?? Did anyone ever hear someone saying that about a Ferrari?? Never in my life.
Your obsession with how Lexus LFA is absurd. If you did not talk about it, there will be no one bringing it up.
It has nothing to do with marketing. You continue to just say the samething over and over again because you are really obsessed with how Lexus LFA took pride in the LFA and wanted it to be marketed in a way that it does end up in collectors garage gathering dust.
Rest is all a figment of your imagination.
I have no idea who he is and am not going to be searching his prior posts to find out. His posts have been rational and I'm not quite sure why anyone is taking offense?I'm late to this particular thread but have been following the LF A for a couple of years now and both myself and Henry have mentioned this same issue.
I'm not sure why we're all of a sudden being deemed "haters" because we actually have the gall to raise questions on a Lexus forum. Keep in mind that I actually went out and bought the very first true performance offering from Lexus so I am more than familiar with the "hate" that others have towards Lexus and their entry into the performance segment.
If it's ok to deem us "haters", I think it would be equally fair to call several in this thread fan***s.
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No one's even referred to you as a hater - at least I haven't, and I haven't noticed anyone else do it - so chill out. No one has a problem with valid questions, but as I said in my reply to rominl, the problem is when those questions aren't even based in fact or reality.
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My point was it is not the focal point of the hatred. Again, talking in context of people on the internet criticizing the LFA. 99% of it is completely unrelated to Lexus' marketing strategy.
I do know you guys bring it up once in a while, but you don't base the entire LFA's existence and how it should be received by the public entirely on how Lexus marketed it and how Lexus went over their head with no heritage and no history in supercars, unlike Mr. Tommy James.
I do know you guys bring it up once in a while, but you don't base the entire LFA's existence and how it should be received by the public entirely on how Lexus marketed it and how Lexus went over their head with no heritage and no history in supercars, unlike Mr. Tommy James.
This post is entirely wrong and targets this Tommy guy for whatever reason. I have no idea who he is and am not going to be searching his prior posts to find out. His posts have been rational and I'm not quite sure why anyone is taking offense?
I'm late to this particular thread but have been following the LF A for a couple of years now and both myself and Henry have mentioned this same issue.
I'm not sure why we're all of a sudden being deemed "haters" because we actually have the gall to raise questions on a Lexus forum. Keep in mind that I actually went out and bought the very first true performance offering from Lexus so I am more than familiar with the "hate" that others have towards Lexus and their entry into the performance segment.
If it's ok to deem us "haters", I think it would be equally fair to call several in this thread fan***s.
I have no idea who he is and am not going to be searching his prior posts to find out. His posts have been rational and I'm not quite sure why anyone is taking offense?I'm late to this particular thread but have been following the LF A for a couple of years now and both myself and Henry have mentioned this same issue.
I'm not sure why we're all of a sudden being deemed "haters" because we actually have the gall to raise questions on a Lexus forum. Keep in mind that I actually went out and bought the very first true performance offering from Lexus so I am more than familiar with the "hate" that others have towards Lexus and their entry into the performance segment.
If it's ok to deem us "haters", I think it would be equally fair to call several in this thread fan***s.
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I'm with Joe! It's not that Paris got an LFA as a gift, but I'd like to know what badge number she gets. We see so many pics of the LFA, but very few of the badging. I know it's lame, but I like seeing these limited production vehicles and the badges.
Lexus Test Driver
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From: NV
So your hopes may be shattered, even if not by Paris Hilton.
Many people may hate me for this, but I think it's a shame if any of the colors offered went unused......
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Guys this thread seems to have gotten back on course, but just in case I'll post a gentle reminder to keep the personal commentary about other members in your head and off of your keyboard.