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Dropping suframe is actually relatively easy. I expect most garages with lift can get the install done in 1.5hr or less. If doing headers, then yeah, install is free.
It completely stops engine movement. When transitioning on/off throttle, especially when feathering the throttle in corner exit or at track, throttle control feels more “connected” and predicatable.
Rafi
Originally Posted by RRRacing
Well, all you have to do to see what’s going on with stock mounts is open the hood and rev the engine. You will see how much it moves. When you are actually driving and transitioning from acceleration to engine braking it moves even more.
So anytime your inputs as a driver are being dampened like that, the slop takes away from the precise feel of the chassis, in a similar way that a soft & wobbly suspension would.
Of course, while it would be nice to eliminate all engine movement, it’s not practical because that would lead to excessive vibration. Our mounts reduce engine movement by 60-70% (compared to new OE mounts) without excess vibration. The only time you might feel any minor vibration is a idle in drive, but it’s very minor.
We are working on other parts for the ISF that have a similar goal, coming out in April.
Rafi
Just trying to comprehend things here. First post you said it COMPLETELY eliminates engine movement. Next quoted post you said it reduces engine movement by 60-70%. Which is accurate?
Thanks for your time and info!
Just trying to comprehend things here. First post you said it COMPLETELY eliminates engine movement. Next quoted post you said it reduces engine movement by 60-70%. Which is accurate?
Thanks for your time and info!
V.
I'll wait for Rafi to respond but if the mount is not solid billet, then it will not completely eliminate engine movement. It looks to be 95 durometer mounts like the usrs so it will substantially decrease engine movement.
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Well, all you have to do to see what’s going on with stock mounts is open the hood and rev the engine. You will see how much it moves. When you are actually driving and transitioning from acceleration to engine braking it moves even more.
So anytime your inputs as a driver are being dampened like that, the slop takes away from the precise feel of the chassis, in a similar way that a soft & wobbly suspension would.
Of course, while it would be nice to eliminate all engine movement, it’s not practical because that would lead to excessive vibration. Our mounts reduce engine movement by 60-70% (compared to new OE mounts) without excess vibration. The only time you might feel any minor vibration is a idle in drive, but it’s very minor.
We are working on other parts for the ISF that have a similar goal, coming out in April.
Rafi
I'm curious.... What are these other parts for the ISF you speak of?? Definitely thinking about getting the engine mounts and the USRS and installing together.
You can see the obvious difference in the RR USRS video towards the end of the vid, you can see the engine moving quite a lot, with the standard mounts.
I'm curious.... What are these other parts for the ISF you speak of?? Definitely thinking about getting the engine mounts and the USRS and installing together.
Several different ongoing projects with the ISF, everything from chassis related, SC related, and weight reduction related.... the development never stops!
Originally Posted by isfvss
You can see the obvious difference in the RR USRS video towards the end of the vid, you can see the engine moving quite a lot, with the standard mounts.
Yes, and keep in mind that that video is comparing our mounts to OEM mounts in perfect condition. I bet you the vast majority of ISF's on the road have at least 1 mount that wobbles like the one in the video.
Rafi
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