Pricing Help on 2012 ISF
05-16-17, 10:46 AM
#17
05-18-17, 09:05 PM
#19
The price isn't too bad considering what else is out there right now as most of the other 2012s that are priced lower have at least double the mileage. Without doing extensive background checks on the car and checking the maintenance history I would try and get them down a little bit but I think it's a seller's market on for clean low mileage 2012+.
05-20-17, 08:06 PM
#21
I am not a pricing expert or anything close but if it is accident free with that mileage, the asking price may be fair because of supply (low mileage) and it has the 2012+ LSD upgrade.
Can I ask if this is a private seller or a dealer? Just curious as to the history of a 5 yr ord car with 5K miles.
Can I ask if this is a private seller or a dealer? Just curious as to the history of a 5 yr ord car with 5K miles.
05-20-17, 08:21 PM
#22
I am not a pricing expert or anything close but if it is accident free with that mileage, the asking price may be fair because of supply (low mileage) and it has the 2012+ LSD upgrade.
Can I ask if this is a private seller or a dealer? Just curious as to the history of a 5 yr ord car with 5K miles.
Can I ask if this is a private seller or a dealer? Just curious as to the history of a 5 yr ord car with 5K miles.
05-20-17, 09:34 PM
#23
'12 Fs have soooo many more upgrades over '08-'10 Fs, with LSD being one of them.
But the car in question is well worth the $49k price tag with only 5k miles on it! Who (that's serious about buying an F) wouldn't buy a $72k car with 5k miles on it for a $23k discount?!? I would take that car in a heartbeat. Rare car and probably not another '12+ F out there period (much less for sale), with under 10k miles on it! He'll, we just had a '12 F with I believe 32k+ miles on it sale for $45k+ in perfect condition. No way I'd let the 5k mile one slide for $4k more if I was in the market again.
V.
But the car in question is well worth the $49k price tag with only 5k miles on it! Who (that's serious about buying an F) wouldn't buy a $72k car with 5k miles on it for a $23k discount?!? I would take that car in a heartbeat. Rare car and probably not another '12+ F out there period (much less for sale), with under 10k miles on it! He'll, we just had a '12 F with I believe 32k+ miles on it sale for $45k+ in perfect condition. No way I'd let the 5k mile one slide for $4k more if I was in the market again.
V.
05-21-17, 10:40 AM
#24
'12 Fs have soooo many more upgrades over '08-'10 Fs, with LSD being one of them.
But the car in question is well worth the $49k price tag with only 5k miles on it! Who (that's serious about buying an F) wouldn't buy a $72k car with 5k miles on it for a $23k discount?!? I would take that car in a heartbeat. Rare car and probably not another '12+ F out there period (much less for sale), with under 10k miles on it!
V.
But the car in question is well worth the $49k price tag with only 5k miles on it! Who (that's serious about buying an F) wouldn't buy a $72k car with 5k miles on it for a $23k discount?!? I would take that car in a heartbeat. Rare car and probably not another '12+ F out there period (much less for sale), with under 10k miles on it!
V.
05-21-17, 05:26 PM
#25
Sorry for thread-jacking but I felt there was no need for another thread.
Today's Update:
I visited a dealership 1 hour away from my house.
Visited a 2012 Star Fire Pearl with 40,000 miles. Listing price was about $47 K so they printed me an invoice for $50.5k out the door.. I offered about 38 K and walked out. H
They were only willing to give me $900 off internet listing price which was $45,900.
They claimed their cost was $40 K.
I told them we were too far apart and went home.
Did I do the right thing? How could have my strategy improved?
Today's Update:
I visited a dealership 1 hour away from my house.
Visited a 2012 Star Fire Pearl with 40,000 miles. Listing price was about $47 K so they printed me an invoice for $50.5k out the door.. I offered about 38 K and walked out. H
They were only willing to give me $900 off internet listing price which was $45,900.
They claimed their cost was $40 K.
I told them we were too far apart and went home.
Did I do the right thing? How could have my strategy improved?
Last edited by spacexmase; 05-21-17 at 06:14 PM. Reason: edited the listing price to include the out the door figure
05-21-17, 07:27 PM
#26
^It's not over yet.
My dad negotiated ~15% off MSRP (and got 3m thrown in) on a new Subaru a couple years ago from a dealership (in a city with only two subie dealers) who is notorious for not moving below MSRP. He went there 3 times within a week, and each time the salesman moved a little further towards his price. Just be persistent, the first visit and lowball is a perfect way to start negotiating.
If at all possible it may be advantageous to bring the sales manager into the conversation and have him actually show you the cost on the car. Explain that you're not trying to take money out of their pockets, and tell them you respect the fact they're still in the business to make money. If their cost is *actually* $40k (which I doubt), I would expect them to not go lower than $43 or something. But I bet their cost is less than $40k, they probably hosed someone on a trade in.
Just my 2c.
My dad negotiated ~15% off MSRP (and got 3m thrown in) on a new Subaru a couple years ago from a dealership (in a city with only two subie dealers) who is notorious for not moving below MSRP. He went there 3 times within a week, and each time the salesman moved a little further towards his price. Just be persistent, the first visit and lowball is a perfect way to start negotiating.
If at all possible it may be advantageous to bring the sales manager into the conversation and have him actually show you the cost on the car. Explain that you're not trying to take money out of their pockets, and tell them you respect the fact they're still in the business to make money. If their cost is *actually* $40k (which I doubt), I would expect them to not go lower than $43 or something. But I bet their cost is less than $40k, they probably hosed someone on a trade in.
Just my 2c.
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05-21-17, 07:28 PM
#27
^It's not over yet.
My dad negotiated ~15% off MSRP (and got 3m thrown in) on a new Subaru a couple years ago from a dealership (in a city with only two subie dealers) who is notorious for not moving below MSRP. He went there 3 times within a week, and each time the salesman moved a little further towards his price. Just be persistent, the first visit and lowball is a perfect way to start negotiating.
If at all possible it may be advantageous to bring the sales manager into the conversation and have him actually show you the cost on the car. Explain that you're not trying to take money out of their pockets, and tell them you respect the fact they're still in the business to make money.
Just my 2c.
My dad negotiated ~15% off MSRP (and got 3m thrown in) on a new Subaru a couple years ago from a dealership (in a city with only two subie dealers) who is notorious for not moving below MSRP. He went there 3 times within a week, and each time the salesman moved a little further towards his price. Just be persistent, the first visit and lowball is a perfect way to start negotiating.
If at all possible it may be advantageous to bring the sales manager into the conversation and have him actually show you the cost on the car. Explain that you're not trying to take money out of their pockets, and tell them you respect the fact they're still in the business to make money.
Just my 2c.
05-21-17, 07:41 PM
#28
Try going back once or twice more. Offer them a little bit more money (another 1k? each time). What have you got to lose?
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05-21-17, 08:39 PM
#29
^It's not over yet.
My dad negotiated ~15% off MSRP (and got 3m thrown in) on a new Subaru a couple years ago from a dealership (in a city with only two subie dealers) who is notorious for not moving below MSRP. He went there 3 times within a week, and each time the salesman moved a little further towards his price. Just be persistent, the first visit and lowball is a perfect way to start negotiating.
If at all possible it may be advantageous to bring the sales manager into the conversation and have him actually show you the cost on the car. Explain that you're not trying to take money out of their pockets, and tell them you respect the fact they're still in the business to make money. If their cost is *actually* $40k (which I doubt), I would expect them to not go lower than $43 or something. But I bet their cost is less than $40k, they probably hosed someone on a trade in.
Just my 2c.
My dad negotiated ~15% off MSRP (and got 3m thrown in) on a new Subaru a couple years ago from a dealership (in a city with only two subie dealers) who is notorious for not moving below MSRP. He went there 3 times within a week, and each time the salesman moved a little further towards his price. Just be persistent, the first visit and lowball is a perfect way to start negotiating.
If at all possible it may be advantageous to bring the sales manager into the conversation and have him actually show you the cost on the car. Explain that you're not trying to take money out of their pockets, and tell them you respect the fact they're still in the business to make money. If their cost is *actually* $40k (which I doubt), I would expect them to not go lower than $43 or something. But I bet their cost is less than $40k, they probably hosed someone on a trade in.
Just my 2c.
Rare used IS-Fs are a different animal then new Subarus, completely different..... The same tactics will not work at all when dealing with an ISF. Also 15% off MSRP wasn't because your dad negotiated it that way, its because thats what those cars were selling for, and what the dealer had the ability to sell it for... Its because they had trunk money, and willingness to sell the car for that. Had your dad done his research and used the resources out there he would have saved himself a lot of time, only having to visit the store once. What you didn't tell us is how much your dad came UP on his offer each time back? Start at some crazy low number, and eventually pay "15%" off MSRP? Thats not much to brag about, because 15% off MSRP of an average 30K new Subaru is only $4500.00.... thats not what i would call a massive "WIN" off MSRP of a new car, thats pretty much industry average price off MSRP...
Go into a dealership with real empirical data and realistic expectations you'll get the same deal you do playing "hardball"....
It makes ZERO difference what the store's "cost" is.... if they got the ISF for 20K you think they'd sell for 23k? No, they'd still sell it for market value. Market value is how most dealers price cars, it isn't out of thin air typically.
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05-21-17, 08:46 PM
#30
Salesman says "you're good"
good at what? NOT BUYING A ISF? Love it when someone is proud of getting bounced out of a car dealership, as if you're going to be walking across the street to pick up the other 2012 ISF at the other dealer.... You leave as the manager and salesman, say "what an idiot..."
Give it a break.... be realistic, do your research on what a fair deal is, come in ready to buy, and you'll be very surprised how much better your experience will be, and how much better they'll treat you. Because you can low ball all you want, bark at them, play hardball and stand your ground, doesn't matter.....bottom line is, they'll sell the ISF, to you or someone else, they don't care... no matter how "good" you are at negotiating. Being good at negotiations usually results in a fair deal with a buyer and seller, both party leaves happy, you leave with what you came in to buy, and they leave with their money. Shouldn't be so difficult if you've done your research and know what to expect to pay.
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