2014 F vs GTR
05-25-12, 12:28 PM
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Now you've tempted me into driving one
05-25-12, 02:43 PM
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05-25-12, 02:43 PM
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IS F is so different from the GTR...GTR i think is a PURE sports car....where as the IS F is a sports car, with practically behind it...such as 4 doors, smooth (yes, you can argue that the stock suspension is rough, i think it's fine) daily driving (I do not know how the GTR feels but i assume it's stiff because of performance). the IS F is designed to fit many markets...where as the GTR in my opinion was purely designed as a sports car...oh yeah, there happens to be two seats in the back. Like a Porsche....there's seats in the back...if your kids don't have legs.
60k new vs 100k new...or i guess if you buy a new IS F vs used GTR, the price could be the same...but now you're battling new vs used.
GTR is sorta like an S2000 by concept...S2000 is for a very specific type of demographic....sports car, rwd, 2 door, convert, AND 6-speed only. Then they came out with the S2000 CR!
05-25-12, 03:08 PM
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Camry and GTR? You don't see that? family car vs sports car...what's more important in the next 2 years...duh! jk...
IS F is so different from the GTR...GTR i think is a PURE sports car....where as the IS F is a sports car, with practically behind it...such as 4 doors, smooth (yes, you can argue that the stock suspension is rough, i think it's fine) daily driving (I do not know how the GTR feels but i assume it's stiff because of performance). the IS F is designed to fit many markets...where as the GTR in my opinion was purely designed as a sports car...oh yeah, there happens to be two seats in the back. Like a Porsche....there's seats in the back...if your kids don't have legs.
60k new vs 100k new...or i guess if you buy a new IS F vs used GTR, the price could be the same...but now you're battling new vs used.
GTR is sorta like an S2000 by concept...S2000 is for a very specific type of demographic....sports car, rwd, 2 door, convert, AND 6-speed only. Then they came out with the S2000 CR!
IS F is so different from the GTR...GTR i think is a PURE sports car....where as the IS F is a sports car, with practically behind it...such as 4 doors, smooth (yes, you can argue that the stock suspension is rough, i think it's fine) daily driving (I do not know how the GTR feels but i assume it's stiff because of performance). the IS F is designed to fit many markets...where as the GTR in my opinion was purely designed as a sports car...oh yeah, there happens to be two seats in the back. Like a Porsche....there's seats in the back...if your kids don't have legs.
60k new vs 100k new...or i guess if you buy a new IS F vs used GTR, the price could be the same...but now you're battling new vs used.
GTR is sorta like an S2000 by concept...S2000 is for a very specific type of demographic....sports car, rwd, 2 door, convert, AND 6-speed only. Then they came out with the S2000 CR!
05-25-12, 06:48 PM
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The general consensus on NAGTROC is the F is a perfect compliment to a built GTR. I wish I could have kept both.. Mine came from a BMW dealership with 11,000km on it so Im not worried in the least with a full warranty. With an engine thats built by hand in a clean room in Japan id be willing to bet its just as high if not higher quality than the lexus. (the engine only). The 09 GTR's had a tranny problem due to the 4,500rpm launch that was fully enabled. That problem has long since been corrected..
The GT-R's transmission problem is not related to the launch control (well, at least not the main reason). The GT-R's weak link in the transmission is the a) very weak first gear (breaks very easily with/without launching, b) defective solenoids that fail to engage correct gears causing sporadic shifts when not needed, resulting in gears grinding, and c) clutch packs that don't cool fast enough when hard launching causing limp mode. Also, if you believe that the problem "has long been corrected"....it has not, as I will be happy to introduce you to a few GT-R owners that regret buying one.
Btw, Nissan knew about this transmission issue months before release of the GT-R, yet did not have the time or money to redesign it quickly enough....they just figured that a majority of buyers were going to tune the cars and that would be an excuse (escape goat) for Nissan not to warranty the transmissions....enter; class action lawsuit.
The new launch control has helped to remedy the hard launching, but it has not eliminated it. Add that to the horrible customer service at Nissan dealers, and you have a recipe for disaster....I don't care how fast the car goes to the moon.
05-25-12, 09:00 PM
#40
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^^^look at that...yum.
My plans are to keep the IS F as my high performance car. Performance you'll never obtain because there will be something always faster, better, etc. But a car like the BMW 2800CS oozes classy. Maybe a E28 BMW M5 would be tastey too
05-26-12, 12:53 AM
#41
I drove quite a few of them - amazing power - amazing road ability!
My gripes:
a) Low speed turning makes a horrible noise from the limited differential though my friend swears it's normal on all GTR's! ouch!
b) Tires + Brakes are costly
Advantages
a) Has rear seat for those fathers who need a back seat for taking out their toddler
b) Massive trunk
I know a few buddies with the GTR and I think if you are a true HP nut, it will serve your purpose well but if you are looking at a brand new 2013, at the $107k price tag you enter a realm of really cool used cars too (Gallardo, Ferrari, R8, etc) and when you compare with those cars it becomes a tough choice.
IS-F best compared to M3, C63, RS4, CTS-V however it's honorable for it to be compared to a car in a totally different class
My gripes:
a) Low speed turning makes a horrible noise from the limited differential though my friend swears it's normal on all GTR's! ouch!
b) Tires + Brakes are costly
Advantages
a) Has rear seat for those fathers who need a back seat for taking out their toddler
b) Massive trunk
I know a few buddies with the GTR and I think if you are a true HP nut, it will serve your purpose well but if you are looking at a brand new 2013, at the $107k price tag you enter a realm of really cool used cars too (Gallardo, Ferrari, R8, etc) and when you compare with those cars it becomes a tough choice.
IS-F best compared to M3, C63, RS4, CTS-V however it's honorable for it to be compared to a car in a totally different class
05-26-12, 01:10 AM
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I know a few buddies with the GTR and I think if you are a true HP nut, it will serve your purpose well but if you are looking at a brand new 2013, at the $107k price tag you enter a realm of really cool used cars too (Gallardo, Ferrari, R8, etc) and when you compare with those cars it becomes a tough choice.
05-26-12, 03:40 AM
#43
The GT-R has had far too many unsorted technical problems, transmission problems fought under the lemon law, and even engines that die under extreme driving conditions.
Personally, I am not a big fan of Nissan having owned a Z that had unsorted technical problems out of the gate and no long-term resolution.
If maintenance costs and reliability are important considerations, you may want to rethink this one.
Personally, I am not a big fan of Nissan having owned a Z that had unsorted technical problems out of the gate and no long-term resolution.
If maintenance costs and reliability are important considerations, you may want to rethink this one.
05-26-12, 07:58 AM
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Uhhhhhhmmmm.....not quite.
The GT-R's transmission problem is not related to the launch control (well, at least not the main reason). The GT-R's weak link in the transmission is the a) very weak first gear (breaks very easily with/without launching, b) defective solenoids that fail to engage correct gears causing sporadic shifts when not needed, resulting in gears grinding, and c) clutch packs that don't cool fast enough when hard launching causing limp mode. Also, if you believe that the problem "has long been corrected"....it has not, as I will be happy to introduce you to a few GT-R owners that regret buying one.
Btw, Nissan knew about this transmission issue months before release of the GT-R, yet did not have the time or money to redesign it quickly enough....they just figured that a majority of buyers were going to tune the cars and that would be an excuse (escape goat) for Nissan not to warranty the transmissions....enter; class action lawsuit.
The new launch control has helped to remedy the hard launching, but it has not eliminated it. Add that to the horrible customer service at Nissan dealers, and you have a recipe for disaster....I don't care how fast the car goes to the moon.
The GT-R's transmission problem is not related to the launch control (well, at least not the main reason). The GT-R's weak link in the transmission is the a) very weak first gear (breaks very easily with/without launching, b) defective solenoids that fail to engage correct gears causing sporadic shifts when not needed, resulting in gears grinding, and c) clutch packs that don't cool fast enough when hard launching causing limp mode. Also, if you believe that the problem "has long been corrected"....it has not, as I will be happy to introduce you to a few GT-R owners that regret buying one.
Btw, Nissan knew about this transmission issue months before release of the GT-R, yet did not have the time or money to redesign it quickly enough....they just figured that a majority of buyers were going to tune the cars and that would be an excuse (escape goat) for Nissan not to warranty the transmissions....enter; class action lawsuit.
The new launch control has helped to remedy the hard launching, but it has not eliminated it. Add that to the horrible customer service at Nissan dealers, and you have a recipe for disaster....I don't care how fast the car goes to the moon.
