Yes, That's why I said "If price is no object"... The stinger is not a bad idea, It's probably going to depreciate like a rock considering it's most likely not long for this world though.

Price target is 25-35k cad

Am honestly not a fan of kia or huyndai as a brand generally speaking. And I don't know how reliable they are versus infiniti. I might try the g70 just to have an idea. Anyone has an idea how reliable are they?

I did some research, and like someone mentioned already the q50 had turbo and belt issues on previous models. Is it still the case with the 2017+ models is still unclear.

I would get the IS350 F Sport over the Q50 for sure. Even if the Q50 is faster, it's build quality and handling are nowhere as good. I had the Q50S fully loaded for a week and I bought the Is350 over it after that experience. The 350 comes with AVS so don't get the 300. AVS noticeably improves the handling of the car. The Q50 is faster but really, both cars are kinda slow these days so the incremental speed doesn't really matter.

Is the AVS in the 350 part of F-Sport 1, 2, or 3?

I'm unsure of the Canadian specs. It will say AVS in the spec sheet or it will say adaptive suspension. The IS350 is slower from a dig but does pretty good from a roll. Strong top end.

All IS350 F-Sports have AVS.

The infotainment on the IS desperately needs a refresh. And the engine needs a good 50hp, while staying NA.

Only then it would be the ideal car.

Genesis is much more reliable than Infiniti, as is Kia. That company has come a long way. Biggest downside of the G70 is the small rear seat. If you stripped away badges and felt the interior quality of the G70 vs the Q50, you would think the former costs double. If backseat legroom is not important to you, try a G70 and see what you think.

I checked the availability of used G70 in the Canadian market, and just like the Stinger, there is only a very handful available...

Yeah...the infotainment on the IS is horrible. No Carplay or Android auto either on the years you are looking at. The ML stereo is great and the HVAC is easy to use. I wouldn't rely on the infotainment for much else except the map. The engine needs a turbo because the low-end torque is disappointing. Its actually a peaky engine where most of the horsepower and torque is between 4000-6500 rpm. Thats why the top end is pretty good because in sport mode, it keeps the revs in that band and feels pretty good. The city driving is a drag unless you are constantly in sport mode and never let the revs go down below 4k rpm which isn't something you'd want to do. The great thing though is the quality is top notch...no creaks or rattles or reliability issues. The car does eat through tires like crazy. A good set of PS4 will only last 15k in the front unless you get RCF bushings or some aftermarket bushings. The sport brakes also only last 15k unless you go aftermarket Akebono ASPs. Just something to think about on these luxury cars...maintenance can be expensive.

I don't mind spending on maintenance, I own an S4 and they are not cheap to maintain either.

Are you referring to the front bushings, and if so, would have a pic and which aftermarket parts to get exactly?

Ya the akebonos are awesome. Good performance, low dust, last a good while.

Would you have the part number for the ASPs that fit the is350/300?

The Akebono part number for F-Sport brakes are:


The part number for RCF bushings are here in this thread:

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/is-...hings-fit.html

They are supposed to help the inner tire wear on the fronts. I have no idea if it actually helps as I got them done and 10k miles later, sold the car but I had the car for nearly 60k miles and the car ate through tires very frequently. My brakes on the Akebono lasted over 15k and didn't need replacing so I knew those were good and much better than stock.

Thanks for the info!!

Am thinking, if I get the Q50 and 4 years of warranty (on a 2017/2018), I would have ton of time to evaluate how reliable (or not) it would be.

The stinger / G70 are honestly over-budget, and probably over-priced as well, compared to other offerings.

So right now, its still IS350 vs Q50.

I honestly thought the Q50 was a POS. I hated it and I had a G35 for over 10 years. Sure the Q50 is faster but the handling sucked and the tranny was glacial in its shifting. The Infotainment is just as bad as the IS350 and was laggy as hell. The IS350 handles much much better and the car feels telepathic on the road (8/10ths and lower). At its limit, it understeers like crazy but its still better than the Q50. Why are you getting another sports sedan if you have the S4? The S4 would spank both pretty badly.

I was between the Q50 and IS 350, myself. I drove both, and was kind of tossing up at that point, as they both had some disappointing features (the interior of the Q50 felt too "old" for me, whereas the IS just seemed like another Toyota) and some redeeming qualities. Then, I stumbled on an IS 350 F-Sport. The second I got in, I knew I needed it, and bought it the same day.