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disappointed......
Have had a deposit with my dealer for 2 IS 250's AWD for months (one for me, one for my business partner) expecting the cost to be 35k before TTL, with navi and PLP but now that number is closer to 40k +.
Even though I know Lexus makes amazing cars, I can't justify spending 40k for a 2.5 liter TSX sized car. Probably going to have to get the TL, is anybody else thinking about changing their minds?
Even though I know Lexus makes amazing cars, I can't justify spending 40k for a 2.5 liter TSX sized car. Probably going to have to get the TL, is anybody else thinking about changing their minds?
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Originally Posted by hashs99
Have had a deposit with my dealer for 2 IS 250's AWD for months (one for me, one for my business partner) expecting the cost to be 35k before TTL, with navi and PLP but now that number is closer to 40k +.
Even though I know Lexus makes amazing cars, I can't justify spending 40k for a 2.5 liter TSX sized car. Probably going to have to get the TL, is anybody else thinking about changing their minds?
Even though I know Lexus makes amazing cars, I can't justify spending 40k for a 2.5 liter TSX sized car. Probably going to have to get the TL, is anybody else thinking about changing their minds?
Cars are not about who have the most power, nor "percieved" value.
Size has nothing to do with it. THe TL and IS have almost identical wheelbases. The TL just has much longer overhangs.
Who buys a car based on size alone?
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Originally Posted by hashs99
Have had a deposit with my dealer for 2 IS 250's AWD for months (one for me, one for my business partner) expecting the cost to be 35k before TTL, with navi and PLP but now that number is closer to 40k +.
Even though I know Lexus makes amazing cars, I can't justify spending 40k for a 2.5 liter TSX sized car. Probably going to have to get the TL, is anybody else thinking about changing their minds?
Even though I know Lexus makes amazing cars, I can't justify spending 40k for a 2.5 liter TSX sized car. Probably going to have to get the TL, is anybody else thinking about changing their minds?
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Originally Posted by sjava
Extra $3000 for AWD setup is just too much in entry luxury class in my opinion.
i think you got some other added options such as automatic tranny, better seats and stuff like that. It's not AWD alone that's costing 3000K. I might be wrong but that's just my thought.
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Room and power are important considerations to many people. The IS250 lags behind its competitors in these regards.
The mags have touted the IS350. Not sure that anyone has said that the IS250 is the car to get in this class.
The mags have touted the IS350. Not sure that anyone has said that the IS250 is the car to get in this class.
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Originally Posted by sjava
Extra $3000 for AWD setup is just too much in entry luxury class in my opinion.
About $600 for the heated/ventilated/perforated seats and $400 for the wood trim.
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Originally Posted by tonyarous
I'm in the same boat as you. I was really hoping for the same config for about $35K or $36K. It's going to be tough to skip on the TL with about $3-4K in savings.
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Originally Posted by tonyarous
I'm in the same boat as you. I was really hoping for the same config for about $35K or $36K. It's going to be tough to skip on the TL with about $3-4K in savings.
jrock beat me to it.
Originally Posted by jrock65
The mags have touted the IS350. Not sure that anyone has said that the IS250 is the car to get in this class.
The IS250 may not have the room and power compared to the 325i, but don't forget, the IS250 has over $5000k of options that now come standard. I believe that people who get the IS250 will want luxury over (much much over) performance. The IS250 lacks in performance, but it will compensate with comfort, safety, and luxury that other cars in it's class can't offer.
The IS250 is not slow, but it isn't fast either. So it won't win speed races -- at least it will get you from point A to B with all the luxury amenities that Lexus is known for.
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Go for what makes you happy.
The IS 350 may have stolen the limelight, but the IS 250 has trademark Lexus luxury and convenience--admitedly you do pay a premium compared to some of its competitors. Its power is not as substantial as others, but it's still not bad. Take a test drive and see how it feels...
The IS 350 may have stolen the limelight, but the IS 250 has trademark Lexus luxury and convenience--admitedly you do pay a premium compared to some of its competitors. Its power is not as substantial as others, but it's still not bad. Take a test drive and see how it feels...
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
Lexus has been putting the IS350 to get people's attentions. But they have admitted that they plan to sell appox. four IS250 for every one IS350.
The IS250 may not have the room and power compared to the 325i, but don't forget, the IS250 has over $5000k of options that now come standard. I believe that people who get the IS250 will want luxury over (much much over) performance. The IS250 lacks in performance, but it will compensate with comfort, safety, and luxury that other cars in it's class can't offer.
The IS250 is not slow, but it isn't fast either. So it won't win speed races -- at least it will get you from point A to B with all the luxury amenities that Lexus is known for.
The IS250 may not have the room and power compared to the 325i, but don't forget, the IS250 has over $5000k of options that now come standard. I believe that people who get the IS250 will want luxury over (much much over) performance. The IS250 lacks in performance, but it will compensate with comfort, safety, and luxury that other cars in it's class can't offer.
The IS250 is not slow, but it isn't fast either. So it won't win speed races -- at least it will get you from point A to B with all the luxury amenities that Lexus is known for.
So to get auto tilt mirrors, illuminated scuff plates, AFS / HID, rain sensing wipers, power steering wheel, and rear sunshade is another $3500???
If the 250 AWD the the PLP was $35k without navi it would be a good value.
Originally Posted by hashs99
$5k in options?? Which options are these? The leather, power seats, leather console, rear armrest storage, heated / ventilated seats, and wood trim???
"The IS has an impressive lineup of standard interior features such as a 13-speaker premium audio system with an in-dash, six-disc CD changer and an auxiliary input for iPods or MP3 players, separate driver and passenger climate controls, HomeLink®, direct tire-pressure monitor, outboard rear- seat pretensioner seatbelts, steering wheel audio controls and Optitron gauges with personalized shift and speed settings."
"A new twin-chamber front-passenger airbag is... a part of the Supplemental Restraint System (SRS) featuring eight standard airbags, including driver and front passenger knee airbags, front and rear side curtain airbags, front-seat-mounted side airbags and front passenger airbags."
"All IS models come standard with electronic vehicle stability control, a feature which helps prevent loss of traction in a turn. While the IS 250 features Lexus' sophisticated Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), the IS 350 comes standard with Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM)."
--These are a lot of standard options. Compared to BMW, some of these would be hundreds of $$$ extra, such as leather seats ($1450), sunshade ($350), in-dash multi-CD changer ($595, and that's in the trunk), power seats ($995), VSC/VDIM (no safety feature for BMW), HomeLink ($179), etc...
Last edited by PhilipMSPT; Oct 11, 2005 at 01:41 PM.