Brake caliper question
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Brake caliper question
I have a 2004 GX. When we hit a bump, we get a loud rattle unless the brakes are depressed. Found the answer in this thread:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gx-...-of-bumps.html
I purchased my GX at a Lexus dealer about 400 miles away. The previous owner had a brake job done and replaced the front calipers with after-market parts instead of the OEM since he was about to trade it in. I took it to my local Lexus dealer who told me the anti-rattle spring "wasn't as beefy" as the OEM version and that's what's causing the rattle. Nothing they can do for me.
I came home and checked out the pins on the rattlling caliper (see part 47748B) http://lexus.sewellparts.com/oem-cat...X470-2004.html
I found that I was able to slide one of them back and forth about 1/8 of an inch. Makes me think maybe the internal spring is missing causing the loose fit. When I called the Lexus dealer I purchased from, the service manager said it's possible they didn't install the internal spring b/c the specs say it's optional.
Anyone have any insight here? MY main question is for anyone w/ after-market calipers to see if that pin fits tightly or if it has some room to move back and forth. Sorry for the long post and thanks!
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/gx-...-of-bumps.html
I purchased my GX at a Lexus dealer about 400 miles away. The previous owner had a brake job done and replaced the front calipers with after-market parts instead of the OEM since he was about to trade it in. I took it to my local Lexus dealer who told me the anti-rattle spring "wasn't as beefy" as the OEM version and that's what's causing the rattle. Nothing they can do for me.
I came home and checked out the pins on the rattlling caliper (see part 47748B) http://lexus.sewellparts.com/oem-cat...X470-2004.html
I found that I was able to slide one of them back and forth about 1/8 of an inch. Makes me think maybe the internal spring is missing causing the loose fit. When I called the Lexus dealer I purchased from, the service manager said it's possible they didn't install the internal spring b/c the specs say it's optional.
Anyone have any insight here? MY main question is for anyone w/ after-market calipers to see if that pin fits tightly or if it has some room to move back and forth. Sorry for the long post and thanks!
Racer
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As I told Wally in some private exchanges. I had the problem for years with stock calipers, complained, Lexus could not "figure it out". Had new brakes and calipers done at private shop, same problem, complained to them , they fixed the problem with the anti rattle clips which are Lexus parts. The calipers were not OEM.
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slide back and forth 1/8 inch?
I am not sure if I am reading your post correctly. I have never had on my GX and other cars an 1/8" play laterally of the pads. Usually here is not movement unless I compress the caliper using force on the pads. Stuck rotor piston?
I have used two complete sets of pads with aftermaarket anti-rattle spings on my GX. They looked just like the originals but of course I did not check tension to see if they were exactly like the originals.
Anyway just some thoughts.. I had you exact same problem (without the 1/8" play) with a Grand Cherokee. Stock pads and spings solved the probem for me. It was irritating to have the rattle you describle.
I have used two complete sets of pads with aftermaarket anti-rattle spings on my GX. They looked just like the originals but of course I did not check tension to see if they were exactly like the originals.
Anyway just some thoughts.. I had you exact same problem (without the 1/8" play) with a Grand Cherokee. Stock pads and spings solved the probem for me. It was irritating to have the rattle you describle.
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Sorry Wally, this is the first time I am hearing that the play would be 1/4. Never, they ( PINS whether Aftermarket or OEM) ) should sit just right and no play. Once the bleed is done. You should have it smooth. The First 10 minutes of your ride, you would have the brakes go down fully , normal, and then has this compression working towards the callipers inward. They should sit perfectly.
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Guys if your replacing the OEM Anti Rattle Springs, You must replace the Anti rattle with Hole Pin also, Just replacing the Anti Rattle would not settle the job. The Anti Squeal Shims must follow with the PIN Hole Clips. If not they would continue to rattle. Yes there are difference to OEM and Aftermarket Setup. I would disagree anyone going with a Half Lexus and Half Aftermarket setup. If anybody is trying to mix and match this, it would be definitely be a bit unprofessional.
It is would be better have the whole setup replaced if you are not happy.
The Setup on Lexus OEM set up is as belows
1. Brake Pad
2. Anti Squeal shims on both sides.
3. The Pin Hole Clips to hold the shims to the pads.
4. The Anti Rattle Springs onto the callipers.
5. The Anti Rattle with Hole Pin ( These go across the Callipers ) Cross bolts kinda..
6. All should be housed within the Disk Brake Cylinder Assy.
7. The Bleeder Plugs attached.
It is would be better have the whole setup replaced if you are not happy.
The Setup on Lexus OEM set up is as belows
1. Brake Pad
2. Anti Squeal shims on both sides.
3. The Pin Hole Clips to hold the shims to the pads.
4. The Anti Rattle Springs onto the callipers.
5. The Anti Rattle with Hole Pin ( These go across the Callipers ) Cross bolts kinda..
6. All should be housed within the Disk Brake Cylinder Assy.
7. The Bleeder Plugs attached.
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I am not sure if I am reading your post correctly. I have never had on my GX and other cars an 1/8" play laterally of the pads. Usually here is not movement unless I compress the caliper using force on the pads. Stuck rotor piston?
I have used two complete sets of pads with aftermaarket anti-rattle spings on my GX. They looked just like the originals but of course I did not check tension to see if they were exactly like the originals.
Anyway just some thoughts.. I had you exact same problem (without the 1/8" play) with a Grand Cherokee. Stock pads and spings solved the probem for me. It was irritating to have the rattle you describle.
I have used two complete sets of pads with aftermaarket anti-rattle spings on my GX. They looked just like the originals but of course I did not check tension to see if they were exactly like the originals.
Anyway just some thoughts.. I had you exact same problem (without the 1/8" play) with a Grand Cherokee. Stock pads and spings solved the probem for me. It was irritating to have the rattle you describle.
The play is not in the pads. The play is in the pin part desribed in the post above by man
5. The Anti Rattle with Hole Pin ( These go across the Callipers ) Cross bolts kinda..
This pin moves in and out about 1/8 of an inch. Seems like it should be a tight fit but it's not. Just wondering if someone could check the pin on theirs and tell me if it moves or not. You can reach through the wheel with your fingers and tell. Should be easy. Thanks for everyone's insight!
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