I guess its either the engine or the drivetrain or maybe both. Since, the exterior is pretty much the same. The interior is slighty visible as well, and looks the same to me

 

Yeah forget the exterior....its underneath....

Expect an interior to BLOW you away.....

 

If they release the GS-F... Then that will be my next car!

 

The GSF is a certainty! What's not certain is whether there will ever be another V8 GS.. GSF will most probably host the V10 engine, while a newer GS250 might be introduced.

My source is a dear friend who is an exclusive agent for Lexus here in Bahrain. I take everything he tells me seriously.

 

v10 on gsf sounds very interesting!

 

Sigh... some of the speculation in this thread is just ... .

It's completely pointless trying to analyze anything about that GS mule. It is an engineering mule; it is entirely using the 3GS exterior body with the 4GS mechanical and electrical systems underneath it. Comparing bumper shapes and details is meaningless. The only thing we can actually deduce from the pictures is that the platform will be changed/new, and the new GS will have a different underbody design compared to the 3GS. Of course, this should not come as a surprise to anyone, it's common sense really.

Also I find it hard to believe the new GS will be a 2013 model. Why else did Lexus release the 2011 GS so early?

 

Completely disagree. The GS in general is not a volume car. It wouldn't make sense for Lexus to offer two different types of hybrid for the same car. It would only confuse customers and they would leave scratching their head saying "I don't understand why they have 2 different hybrids". Bad idea. In a perfect world, that would be lovely, but Lexus is in business to make money and offering 2 different types of hybrid within the same car model line does not make good financial sense.

And while the GS450H is/was a "cool idea", it's a tough sell, especially with the GS460 in the lineup. As you say, most people equate hybrids with fuel efficiency, so why would anyone want one that's focused on power & performance? I'm not saying it's a bad car (I know you have one), but it's a car that nobody asked for and not many people want. If someone is going for a hybrid, they want fuel efficiency, which is why a hybrid GS using the 2.5 V6 in the IS makes perfect sense to me.

Really? I think it makes total sense. Lexus (and all other manufacturers) are currently looking to increase fuel efficiency across the lineup to meet the new EPA fuel standards that are coming. This is fact. Yes, I know Lexus is under the Toyota umbrella, but I don't think that matters much. Lexus has always focused more on fuel efficiency and refinement over performance, and now so probably more than ever with the new standards coming up (I'm not including the F line obviously). A standard V6, a fuel efficient hybrid, and a powerful V8 option for the GS makes perfect sense, especially for this model. I guess we'll see what happens, eh? Let's revisit this thread when the announcement is made and see who ends up being right.

 

This car will be out in about 2 years as a 2013 is my prediction. 2012 facelift of current car will be out by q2

 

anything less and it's a waste of time, IMO. gonna compete with M and AMG, better step up and do it right.

they won't sell many GS-F vehicles, but there is a demand for it.

anybody know the sales figures on the IS-F over the course of it's short life so far? granted it's much cheaper than a V-10 GS-F will be, but just to get an idea of how many F enthusiasts there are.

 

Sounds perfect to ME!!! There is no reason to put a V8 variant in the GSF..

It will be a slightly toned down version of the LFA V-10 motor...

It will also be a $75-$80K solution to get some of that LFA hp..

The GS-F renderings are already on the drawing tables and we will see it within 2 years of this post that I am typing right now.


Joe Z

 

Well, I think it depends on how much it cost to build an LFA engine. If its too expensive, then the GSF could easily go over $100K, which I think is a bit too much....

 

everyone is entitled to their opinion of course.

I have recently looked to buy new (used) car, as I have to sell my GS350AWD... so naturally, I have been looking at A6 3.0 TDI Quattro and 530xd... So far facelifted A6 has proved to be big disappointment. I cant believe this car sells so much in Europe. Only thing it has better than GS is trunk. Interior is one class behind my 2007 GS in quality of materials and workmanship. I was pretty disappointed with this. Leather seats were on par with my Rav4 and car i saw had no bluetooth or electric seats.

Next up is 530xd...

 

I doubt it gets the LFA V-10. That engine is specifically made for the LFA. The engine alone probably costs nearly as much as a GS F.

Lets not forget BMW is dropping their V-10 to go with a V-8 tt in their M5. Benz has dropped their 6.3 liter N/A V-8 for a twin turbo V-8 (but they still call the car a 63 lol).

Lotus seems to have figured out how to get more power out the 5.0. I have a feeling that will make it into the GS-F.

Maybe the GS-F becomes a 5.0 hybrid

 

I seriously doubt a V10 as well. A TT V8 is all it needs to compete with the M5 and E63 AMG.

 

My guess is GSF will use a bored out ISF engine. Either that or they will make a less exotic higher displacement V10.

I can't believe they would use hybrid tech since a performance car has to be light and have an even weight distribution. They can't have a GSF with slower cornering speed than a GS350. While there are lighter and easy to package battery solutions, they are very expensive still.

Also Lexus seems to me to be too conservative a company to use turbos. Plus turbo tech won't line up with their reputation for making drivetrains that are solid for 300,000 miles.