4GS mega thread (UPDATED; preview drives, specs, more interior pics)
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As a performance enthusiast I cannot accept hybrids as a substitute for a V8 with turbos, for 2 reasons:
1) Additional weight which leads to diminished cornering speeds
2) Loss of trunk space which is not acceptable to those of us where the big sedan is the only car in the house with a proper trunk.
1) Additional weight which leads to diminished cornering speeds
2) Loss of trunk space which is not acceptable to those of us where the big sedan is the only car in the house with a proper trunk.
Turbos add weight and complexity too.
The tech is very early and much more complicated than anything we have seen. The GSh trunk space has grown and surely as the tech gets smaller trunk size will grow.
I spoke to a bud who is high up with AMG and he was telling me about the Benz E-tron which is a SLS with batteries to power every wheel. He said with the instant torque of the batteries and the torque vectoring system it handles like its on rails.
Thus the GSh is the forefather to all these cars
I'm with you. While I understand that Lexus said they wanted to have more engine updates during the 3GS life than the 1/2GS life (the GS 300 used the same engine from 93-05) the fact is they released the car with engines that were not exactly thrilling.
The thing is if the GS 350 debuted with the GS 430 the 430 would have looked real redundant. I also think Lexus wants the 4.6 to debut in the LS first.
Numbers have been posted might have to search. At its best the 3GS sold over 32,000 units in 2005 as a 2006 model. The GS 400 sold slightly over 30,000 units a couple of years.
Driving excitement back at Lexus? Lexus has always been more luxury than sport. Today we have sporty Lexus in the IS, GS and then IS F and LFA. No matter what people say, the 3GS drives sportier than the last models and is no slouch, its the steering feel that is vague.
Why hump turbos when Lexus has hybrids? The GS 450h offers power and better MPG. The competition is now "Catching up"
Its amazing to me to see people knock Lexus when they don't offer something and ignore Lexus when they lead with something.
Sorry the Infiniti M does not look too good to me. Way to many curves with a bland rear and SUV face. No thanks. I agree the interior is well done with materials but again, the constant zig zag lines makes me dizzy.
The GS and M and RL and MKS etc will NEVER out sell the 5/E class. It makes no sense to say they stink b/c they don't outsell the 5/E. They have lower sales targets.
Infiniti's new M37/56 is not exactly selling great. It's selling 1200 units a month which is 50% less than what the last model sold its first year. Infiniti has already countered with agressive discounts and leases.
I think you might have joined the wrong site if you think the IS is too small, the GS is too slow, the LS is too mediocre and you bash the HS with your second post.
The thing is if the GS 350 debuted with the GS 430 the 430 would have looked real redundant. I also think Lexus wants the 4.6 to debut in the LS first.
Numbers have been posted might have to search. At its best the 3GS sold over 32,000 units in 2005 as a 2006 model. The GS 400 sold slightly over 30,000 units a couple of years.
Driving excitement back at Lexus? Lexus has always been more luxury than sport. Today we have sporty Lexus in the IS, GS and then IS F and LFA. No matter what people say, the 3GS drives sportier than the last models and is no slouch, its the steering feel that is vague.
Why hump turbos when Lexus has hybrids? The GS 450h offers power and better MPG. The competition is now "Catching up"
Its amazing to me to see people knock Lexus when they don't offer something and ignore Lexus when they lead with something.
Sorry the Infiniti M does not look too good to me. Way to many curves with a bland rear and SUV face. No thanks. I agree the interior is well done with materials but again, the constant zig zag lines makes me dizzy.
The GS and M and RL and MKS etc will NEVER out sell the 5/E class. It makes no sense to say they stink b/c they don't outsell the 5/E. They have lower sales targets.
Infiniti's new M37/56 is not exactly selling great. It's selling 1200 units a month which is 50% less than what the last model sold its first year. Infiniti has already countered with agressive discounts and leases.
I think you might have joined the wrong site if you think the IS is too small, the GS is too slow, the LS is too mediocre and you bash the HS with your second post.
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well, but get this. the very exact same year, in japan, lexus directly went with the gs350. gs300 was never released in japan at all. so my question would be why not gs350 here from the very beginning, why that one year of gs300?
imho, it has a lot to do with image. it made the 3gs a very "soft" release. a gs300 with a new v6 without impressive power. a gs430 with the exact same 430 engine from before. so the body style and techs are new, but drivetrain were so-so. if they came out with the gs350 and the gs450h together in one shot? imagine the impact of that. personally i believe the soft release of the 3gs contribute to its not-so-impressive sales over the years
and if you talk about not to rush out with a new engine design, i actually think the 3gs was a rush release in other aspects too. audio system upgraded the next year. navigation system upgraded the next year.
that's why for the 4gs i really hope they plan it out well with a strong statement
imho, it has a lot to do with image. it made the 3gs a very "soft" release. a gs300 with a new v6 without impressive power. a gs430 with the exact same 430 engine from before. so the body style and techs are new, but drivetrain were so-so. if they came out with the gs350 and the gs450h together in one shot? imagine the impact of that. personally i believe the soft release of the 3gs contribute to its not-so-impressive sales over the years
and if you talk about not to rush out with a new engine design, i actually think the 3gs was a rush release in other aspects too. audio system upgraded the next year. navigation system upgraded the next year.
that's why for the 4gs i really hope they plan it out well with a strong statement
Have u seen data that tells u that?
That would be interesting!!
I don`t know about sales numbers, but 1sicklex just said in a recent post that until last year, the GS had the third spot in sales. Was that not the best for the GS ever? What do you know about that?
As I said, I agree with you, nonetheless, we need to analize Lexus choices.
Some people say they didn`t offer the GS350 cause it had more HP than the V8 option. Did they have a better V8 option in Japan at that time in the GS lineup?
And the lexus GS was very long in the tooth, the 2G started in 98 MY, you think they could have hold one more year without refreshing the model?
What does the numbers/sales tell about it?
I mean, we need to analyze the business case or the reasoning behind the choices they made, or why they had to do it that way.
Yeah, it would be the best scenario if they come out strong of the gate this time.
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I'm with you. While I understand that Lexus said they wanted to have more engine updates during the 3GS life than the 1/2GS life (the GS 300 used the same engine from 93-05) the fact is they released the car with engines that were not exactly thrilling.
The thing is if the GS 350 debuted with the GS 430 the 430 would have looked real redundant. I also think Lexus wants the 4.6 to debut in the LS first.
Numbers have been posted might have to search. At its best the 3GS sold over 32,000 units in 2005 as a 2006 model. The GS 400 sold slightly over 30,000 units a couple of years.
Driving excitement back at Lexus? Lexus has always been more luxury than sport. Today we have sporty Lexus in the IS, GS and then IS F and LFA. No matter what people say, the 3GS drives sportier than the last models and is no slouch, its the steering feel that is vague.
Why hump turbos when Lexus has hybrids? The GS 450h offers power and better MPG. The competition is now "Catching up"
Its amazing to me to see people knock Lexus when they don't offer something and ignore Lexus when they lead with something.
Sorry the Infiniti M does not look too good to me. Way to many curves with a bland rear and SUV face. No thanks. I agree the interior is well done with materials but again, the constant zig zag lines makes me dizzy.
The GS and M and RL and MKS etc will NEVER out sell the 5/E class. It makes no sense to say they stink b/c they don't outsell the 5/E. They have lower sales targets.
Infiniti's new M37/56 is not exactly selling great. It's selling 1200 units a month which is 50% less than what the last model sold its first year. Infiniti has already countered with agressive discounts and leases.
I think you might have joined the wrong site if you think the IS is too small, the GS is too slow, the LS is too mediocre and you bash the HS with your second post.
The thing is if the GS 350 debuted with the GS 430 the 430 would have looked real redundant. I also think Lexus wants the 4.6 to debut in the LS first.
Numbers have been posted might have to search. At its best the 3GS sold over 32,000 units in 2005 as a 2006 model. The GS 400 sold slightly over 30,000 units a couple of years.
Driving excitement back at Lexus? Lexus has always been more luxury than sport. Today we have sporty Lexus in the IS, GS and then IS F and LFA. No matter what people say, the 3GS drives sportier than the last models and is no slouch, its the steering feel that is vague.
Why hump turbos when Lexus has hybrids? The GS 450h offers power and better MPG. The competition is now "Catching up"
Its amazing to me to see people knock Lexus when they don't offer something and ignore Lexus when they lead with something.
Sorry the Infiniti M does not look too good to me. Way to many curves with a bland rear and SUV face. No thanks. I agree the interior is well done with materials but again, the constant zig zag lines makes me dizzy.
The GS and M and RL and MKS etc will NEVER out sell the 5/E class. It makes no sense to say they stink b/c they don't outsell the 5/E. They have lower sales targets.
Infiniti's new M37/56 is not exactly selling great. It's selling 1200 units a month which is 50% less than what the last model sold its first year. Infiniti has already countered with agressive discounts and leases.
I think you might have joined the wrong site if you think the IS is too small, the GS is too slow, the LS is too mediocre and you bash the HS with your second post.
With the link you provided me in another post, saying the GS is too slow is incorrect.
The IS, well we know how cramped their rear seat is, thats a common issue with that car, If I remember well.
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Why you personally believe that?
Have u seen data that tells u that?
That would be interesting!!
I don`t know about sales numbers, but 1sicklex just said in a recent post that until last year, the GS had the third spot in sales. Was that not the best for the GS ever? What do you know about that?
As I said, I agree with you, nonetheless, we need to analize Lexus choices.
Some people say they didn`t offer the GS350 cause it had more HP than the V8 option. Did they have a better V8 option in Japan at that time in the GS lineup?
And the lexus GS was very long in the tooth, the 2G started in 98 MY, you think they could have hold one more year without refreshing the model?
What does the numbers/sales tell about it?
I mean, we need to analyze the business case or the reasoning behind the choices they made, or why they had to do it that way.
Yeah, it would be the best scenario if they come out strong of the gate this time.
Have u seen data that tells u that?
That would be interesting!!
I don`t know about sales numbers, but 1sicklex just said in a recent post that until last year, the GS had the third spot in sales. Was that not the best for the GS ever? What do you know about that?
As I said, I agree with you, nonetheless, we need to analize Lexus choices.
Some people say they didn`t offer the GS350 cause it had more HP than the V8 option. Did they have a better V8 option in Japan at that time in the GS lineup?
And the lexus GS was very long in the tooth, the 2G started in 98 MY, you think they could have hold one more year without refreshing the model?
What does the numbers/sales tell about it?
I mean, we need to analyze the business case or the reasoning behind the choices they made, or why they had to do it that way.
Yeah, it would be the best scenario if they come out strong of the gate this time.
Lets also remember that the 2GS really only had the 5 series and E class as competition, everything else pretty much sucked or wasn't a thread. By 2005-2010 we have the new Infiniit M, even the Acura RL, the Caddy STS/CTS, the Lincoln MKS, the Jaguar XF, Volvo S80,Audi A6 etc I mean the entire class is good.
Then you have tweeners (size of that class but entry level) like the ES, G37, TL, Lacrosse, Maxima, Taurus SHO etc etc.The mid size sport sedan segment is a very tough one today where ten years ago it was just BMW, Benz, Lexus with outstanding cars.
The 2GS in 2004 was by then 7 years old and sales were very small, it was time for the new model.
I believe the E class had debuted a new E 500 and then upgraded it to E550. BMW brought a 4.4 I think got upgraded to a 4.8 and it got a HP bump. Lexus bumped from the GS 430 to 460 which got a 40hp bump but it was behind the Germans at that point.
Ouch, that new bad boy infiniti M is struggling then..... maybe it has to with the price hike their models received? I believe.....
With the link you provided me in another post, saying the GS is too slow is incorrect.
The IS, well we know how cramped their rear seat is, thats a common issue with that car, If I remember well.
With the link you provided me in another post, saying the GS is too slow is incorrect.
The IS, well we know how cramped their rear seat is, thats a common issue with that car, If I remember well.
The IS is small and cramped in the rear. It is a small sport sedan. Its clear people don't mind or care as it is older now and still selling very well. Could it be better? Yes, no doubt. However saying its too small is ridiculous and it can be said others are too big.
I digress though, we should be talking about the 4GS
Why you personally believe that?
Have u seen data that tells u that?
That would be interesting!!
I don`t know about sales numbers, but 1sicklex just said in a recent post that until last year, the GS had the third spot in sales. Was that not the best for the GS ever? What do you know about that?
As I said, I agree with you, nonetheless, we need to analize Lexus choices.
Some people say they didn`t offer the GS350 cause it had more HP than the V8 option. Did they have a better V8 option in Japan at that time in the GS lineup?
And the lexus GS was very long in the tooth, the 2G started in 98 MY, you think they could have hold one more year without refreshing the model?
What does the numbers/sales tell about it?
I mean, we need to analyze the business case or the reasoning behind the choices they made, or why they had to do it that way.
Yeah, it would be the best scenario if they come out strong of the gate this time.
Have u seen data that tells u that?
That would be interesting!!
I don`t know about sales numbers, but 1sicklex just said in a recent post that until last year, the GS had the third spot in sales. Was that not the best for the GS ever? What do you know about that?
As I said, I agree with you, nonetheless, we need to analize Lexus choices.
Some people say they didn`t offer the GS350 cause it had more HP than the V8 option. Did they have a better V8 option in Japan at that time in the GS lineup?
And the lexus GS was very long in the tooth, the 2G started in 98 MY, you think they could have hold one more year without refreshing the model?
What does the numbers/sales tell about it?
I mean, we need to analyze the business case or the reasoning behind the choices they made, or why they had to do it that way.
Yeah, it would be the best scenario if they come out strong of the gate this time.
it's a great question on whether it would have been better off for lexus to do what they did, or just wait another year and stick with the 2gs for one more year. tough call, either way not very ideal imho, but if you ask me, i would really rather not release a brand new model unless it's completely ready. especially on this car in such a fierce segment together with the e, 5, a6, infiniti m.
you can look at the sales numbers for the past few years (can search on threads in car chat). look at the 3 gs numbers say last year, when BOTH the new e and 5 were not out yet. look at the comparisons between 5/e and the gap with gs. i agree it's going to be hard for the gs to over-take the 5 and e, but i would really hope for a much smaller gap
i agree with mike, 1998 gs probably won't happen again for a long while. but one has to think about why that was such a dramatic year for lexus. from the 1gs to 2gs, it was a complete bomb. it was the fastest sport sedan (faster than e36 m3 sedan back then), tons of improvements over 1gs. that was a strong release, and i think overall it helped lexus to get a lot of traction on the 2gs over the years.
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The GS may not be able to take over the sales lead from the 5 or E class but it can make a serious dent. The US market has embraced Lexus unlike EU.
If they do decide to put in a smaller engine in the GS, then the 2.5 V6 should make atleast 230 HP. Personally I would like to see the 3.0L V6 with 245 HP back again. It would make good HP to compete with the 528i. Also get the 8 speed automatic option on all of the model variants. MB and BMW are getting their newest gearbox across all their ranges. Lexus can do that too. If you can make Lexus competitive in terms of engines and get the styling on track they can compete very well. In regards to hybrid, if they can keep the weight of the GS450H comparable to the NA V8, it would not only do wonders for the car but also get the mileage up by a lot while offering even better performance. That is where the LFA learning's can trickle down. In terms of driving dynamics, they do not need to be BMW, but I am sure the next gen Lexus/Toyota models will definitely be better in that department than they have been in the past. Lexus knows how to make a car handle, look at the IS-F. I am really hoping for amazing things to come out of the brand.
If they do decide to put in a smaller engine in the GS, then the 2.5 V6 should make atleast 230 HP. Personally I would like to see the 3.0L V6 with 245 HP back again. It would make good HP to compete with the 528i. Also get the 8 speed automatic option on all of the model variants. MB and BMW are getting their newest gearbox across all their ranges. Lexus can do that too. If you can make Lexus competitive in terms of engines and get the styling on track they can compete very well. In regards to hybrid, if they can keep the weight of the GS450H comparable to the NA V8, it would not only do wonders for the car but also get the mileage up by a lot while offering even better performance. That is where the LFA learning's can trickle down. In terms of driving dynamics, they do not need to be BMW, but I am sure the next gen Lexus/Toyota models will definitely be better in that department than they have been in the past. Lexus knows how to make a car handle, look at the IS-F. I am really hoping for amazing things to come out of the brand.
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Yeah, better get back on topic
So if you guys were in the market right now, would buy the new 5 or the new E or wait for the new GS?
U guys really expect the new GS to be a 2012 MY?
Being that it would be only a 6 year model cycle.
So if you guys were in the market right now, would buy the new 5 or the new E or wait for the new GS?
U guys really expect the new GS to be a 2012 MY?
Being that it would be only a 6 year model cycle.
I agree. It's interesting but I think Lexus could have done much better in the last 5 years. Their styling has been great for the new models launched in 2005-2007. However they let down the GS with initially sub-par engines, they let down the IS by making it too small, and they let down the ES due to quality issues. It seems like they are going to make all these mistakes again plus add a new mistake which is sub-par technology as far as navigation, voice recognition, and control interface is concerned.
I would forecast them falling behind Audi if the next model is not ahead of competitors on finesse, style, technology and quality.
A few weeks ago I was participating on a discussion of Car and Driver's recent test of the 2011 535i vs the Audi A6 and the Infiniti M37. I mentioned my Lexus GS as a comparison and people were not able to take it seriously as a competitor to those other cars! That's more perception than reality, but perception is important if you want to sell cars!
I think dropping the V8 is a big mistake. They have a V8 in the parts department. Having a V8 in the line-up is partly what makes the GS seem like a 5er and E-klasse competitor. Without a V8 halo car leading the line up it will may perceived as a premium sedan in the vein of the Acura RL. And the GSF coming 2 years later at a $80k+ price point doesn't help. Market perceptions of a model are derived in the first year of production. If it doesn't make an impact in the first year, it never will.
I maybe too negative here, but then my car has spent a ton of time at the dealership. I've owned it since May 2009 and its been to the dealership 12 times, of which 1 was 4 day stay (for rattles) and its currently on its second overnight stay for rattles.
I would forecast them falling behind Audi if the next model is not ahead of competitors on finesse, style, technology and quality.
A few weeks ago I was participating on a discussion of Car and Driver's recent test of the 2011 535i vs the Audi A6 and the Infiniti M37. I mentioned my Lexus GS as a comparison and people were not able to take it seriously as a competitor to those other cars! That's more perception than reality, but perception is important if you want to sell cars!
I think dropping the V8 is a big mistake. They have a V8 in the parts department. Having a V8 in the line-up is partly what makes the GS seem like a 5er and E-klasse competitor. Without a V8 halo car leading the line up it will may perceived as a premium sedan in the vein of the Acura RL. And the GSF coming 2 years later at a $80k+ price point doesn't help. Market perceptions of a model are derived in the first year of production. If it doesn't make an impact in the first year, it never will.
I maybe too negative here, but then my car has spent a ton of time at the dealership. I've owned it since May 2009 and its been to the dealership 12 times, of which 1 was 4 day stay (for rattles) and its currently on its second overnight stay for rattles.
but at the same time, unless i need a car today, i would definitely wait for the new gs to come out, which i think will be 2012 models as well, and compare. at the same time, i will need to factor in an extra year to pay attention to quality issues as well (on any brands)
Looking at the competition, I think Lexus has an opportunity to capitalize on weaknesses that the new 5 and E have, but as others have said, they need to go big or go home.
The new 5 is a big car, and quite heavy. It's also relatively bland when you consider what people expect from BMW. It's arguably no longer the "ultimate driving machine" at 4400 lbs.
The E has lackluster engines, though those will be updated soon, and an interior and exterior design that is not for everyone.
The M is struggling out of the gate and has it's share of weaknesses - transmission mapping, styling (depening on who you are), and it's no longer an inexpensive car.
Of course we can count on the new A6 looking like an A4 with two more inches of space in every dimension, and I really don't think American's are buying into Audi's sedans. The Q5, A5, Q7, and R8 are hot, but people aren't really going nuts over the new A4 or A8. Even the A7 has barely raised eyebrows.
Considering the competitive field, I see a big void for something dramatically styled, good looking, and sporty - BMW has (believe it or not) abandoned this post in favor of something more mainstream. The 5 design was polarizing before, but has since lost it's touch. The E, IMO, is not aging very well and the M's looks are debatable.
Lexus has a chance to come in with something that really WOWS the general public in terms of performance, design, and execution. If they can create a car as beautiful and original as the 2GS was in its time, beef up the driving dynamics and enthusiast appeal, and pack it full of technology, I think Lexus stands to see huge success with the 4GS. That said, those are some decidedly un-lexus-like characteristics, but I do have hope.
The V6 is already one of the best engines in it's class...with another 30hp and an 8AT it could be a top performer and even more frugal. I think it would be very sad to see them drop the V8 model due to existing demand - the reason that the car hasn't succeeded is that they have treated it like the red headed step child. It's THEIR fault.
I would like to see a ~370hp hybrid capable of at least 30MPG combined. Gas prices and efficiency will be more important in the coming years, IMO.
Also consider...by the time this car comes out the E and 5 will no longer be new, the XF will be old, and the general public won't be able to tell the difference between the A6 and A3 sedan. The stage really will be set for a car to come in and turn this class on it's ear...the problem? That's a tall order, and in the last few years Lexus hasn't exactly been shooting for the sky with every product.
Time will tell...
The new 5 is a big car, and quite heavy. It's also relatively bland when you consider what people expect from BMW. It's arguably no longer the "ultimate driving machine" at 4400 lbs.
The E has lackluster engines, though those will be updated soon, and an interior and exterior design that is not for everyone.
The M is struggling out of the gate and has it's share of weaknesses - transmission mapping, styling (depening on who you are), and it's no longer an inexpensive car.
Of course we can count on the new A6 looking like an A4 with two more inches of space in every dimension, and I really don't think American's are buying into Audi's sedans. The Q5, A5, Q7, and R8 are hot, but people aren't really going nuts over the new A4 or A8. Even the A7 has barely raised eyebrows.
Considering the competitive field, I see a big void for something dramatically styled, good looking, and sporty - BMW has (believe it or not) abandoned this post in favor of something more mainstream. The 5 design was polarizing before, but has since lost it's touch. The E, IMO, is not aging very well and the M's looks are debatable.
Lexus has a chance to come in with something that really WOWS the general public in terms of performance, design, and execution. If they can create a car as beautiful and original as the 2GS was in its time, beef up the driving dynamics and enthusiast appeal, and pack it full of technology, I think Lexus stands to see huge success with the 4GS. That said, those are some decidedly un-lexus-like characteristics, but I do have hope.
The V6 is already one of the best engines in it's class...with another 30hp and an 8AT it could be a top performer and even more frugal. I think it would be very sad to see them drop the V8 model due to existing demand - the reason that the car hasn't succeeded is that they have treated it like the red headed step child. It's THEIR fault.
I would like to see a ~370hp hybrid capable of at least 30MPG combined. Gas prices and efficiency will be more important in the coming years, IMO.
Also consider...by the time this car comes out the E and 5 will no longer be new, the XF will be old, and the general public won't be able to tell the difference between the A6 and A3 sedan
. The stage really will be set for a car to come in and turn this class on it's ear...the problem? That's a tall order, and in the last few years Lexus hasn't exactly been shooting for the sky with every product.Time will tell...
I also want to add that I think Lexus really has to go sporty with the GS - not just because I want them to, but from a business aspect. I have written plenty of posts about overlap with the ES and I believe this to be a huge issue.
Dramatically differentiating these two cars is very necessary IMO, and the best way to do it is with sportier styling, driving dynamics, and options (i.e. wheels and F sport parts).
Dramatically differentiating these two cars is very necessary IMO, and the best way to do it is with sportier styling, driving dynamics, and options (i.e. wheels and F sport parts).
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I think Lexus clearly understands that the next-gen GS needs to be sportier. I'm sure they have been fully aware of the overlap and the criticism of how close the ES and GS are right now. The GS needs to definitely be sportier, make more efficient use of interior space, have a more upscale and daring design, have higher quality, and have a GSF model. These I feel are just basic things the 4GS needs to have in order to be competitive.
If Lexus wants to really make a big splash in the market, they will need to do even more than that with the GS. I REALLY hope that V8 rumor is false, and that they are not dropping the regular V8 GS model. I don't care how bad the economy is, the V8 GS is still needed for prestige, image and reputation. Toyota has more than enough know-how and technology right now to make the V8 even more fuel efficient, with even less emissions while having more performance and reliability.
If the rumors are true, then the 4GS will be a lot more sportier to drive, which is the first step in improving the GS.
Lexus has done an excellent job keeping the IS and ES updated; now it's time to stop neglecting models like the GS and SC. Lexus needs to focus on these models more.
If Lexus wants to really make a big splash in the market, they will need to do even more than that with the GS. I REALLY hope that V8 rumor is false, and that they are not dropping the regular V8 GS model. I don't care how bad the economy is, the V8 GS is still needed for prestige, image and reputation. Toyota has more than enough know-how and technology right now to make the V8 even more fuel efficient, with even less emissions while having more performance and reliability.
If the rumors are true, then the 4GS will be a lot more sportier to drive, which is the first step in improving the GS.
Lexus has done an excellent job keeping the IS and ES updated; now it's time to stop neglecting models like the GS and SC. Lexus needs to focus on these models more.