Would a GS-F sell?
Would a GS-F sell?
How much will it list for?
Would have to be over $75K loaded.
The IS-F is over $60K.
I think a GS-F would bomb.
I don't think the IS-F isn't selling very well.
My dealer has had the same two in the showroom for months.I haven't seen one on the road,yet.
Maybe sales are better in the warmer climates but seem to be dead in my area.
Would have to be over $75K loaded.
The IS-F is over $60K.
I think a GS-F would bomb.
I don't think the IS-F isn't selling very well.
My dealer has had the same two in the showroom for months.I haven't seen one on the road,yet.
Maybe sales are better in the warmer climates but seem to be dead in my area.
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How much will it list for?
Would have to be over $75K loaded.
The IS-F is over $60K.
I think a GS-F would bomb.
I don't think the IS-F isn't selling very well.
My dealer has had the same two in the showroom for months.I haven't seen one on the road,yet.
Maybe sales are better in the warmer climates but seem to be dead in my area.
Would have to be over $75K loaded.
The IS-F is over $60K.
I think a GS-F would bomb.
I don't think the IS-F isn't selling very well.
My dealer has had the same two in the showroom for months.I haven't seen one on the road,yet.
Maybe sales are better in the warmer climates but seem to be dead in my area.
We will have to keep an I on the release of the new 09 CTS-V in October, which has 556hp and starts at a base of 65k (I think).
I see IS-F's here in Phoenix on occasions, but they were in limited supply to begin with. Each of the 2 dealers I frequent have 1 left each, where they originally had 3+ each. This could reflect a regional bias.
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I honestly don't know. Looking at the economic disaster we are seeing and with the latest round of auto info, seems tons of these German cars are leased, which helps sales. Lexus has a substantially lower lease rate in comparison.
Also with this disaster, well the market for these types are cars shrinks. Lexus being the newcomer has the toughest chance here, people think Lexus and they simply think LS or RX...not "F", even with the IS-F having superb reviews.
Then the price would be 80k I would think as the car more than likely has a V-10 shared with the LF-A. Lexus has no base price advantage over the M3 or C63, only with options does it seem like the better deal.
It also depends on sales targets. The IS-F seems to be on pace to reach its 5k a year sales goal. The GS-F would likely have lower targets that it might be able to reach.
To be honest, the 3GS just doesn't have the "spark" or interest the 2GS had. The 2GS was the "bad boy" Lexus and really caught the publics attention. The 3GS is a better car overall but with increased competition and Lexus IMO "holding back", it doesn't have the same "spark". I think a GS-F wouldn't really help much.
I think with the 4GS, Lexus knows they have to go and hit a grandslam, as they don't have to only worry about just the Germans, but now Infiniti and Jaguar and others. A 4GS, GS-F would be icing on the cake!!!!
Also with this disaster, well the market for these types are cars shrinks. Lexus being the newcomer has the toughest chance here, people think Lexus and they simply think LS or RX...not "F", even with the IS-F having superb reviews.
Then the price would be 80k I would think as the car more than likely has a V-10 shared with the LF-A. Lexus has no base price advantage over the M3 or C63, only with options does it seem like the better deal.
It also depends on sales targets. The IS-F seems to be on pace to reach its 5k a year sales goal. The GS-F would likely have lower targets that it might be able to reach.
To be honest, the 3GS just doesn't have the "spark" or interest the 2GS had. The 2GS was the "bad boy" Lexus and really caught the publics attention. The 3GS is a better car overall but with increased competition and Lexus IMO "holding back", it doesn't have the same "spark". I think a GS-F wouldn't really help much.
I think with the 4GS, Lexus knows they have to go and hit a grandslam, as they don't have to only worry about just the Germans, but now Infiniti and Jaguar and others. A 4GS, GS-F would be icing on the cake!!!!
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At this time Lexus doesn't need the GS-F. It won't sell much.
IS_F are not selling. M3's are sitting on lots, C63's, which are sold in very limited numbers are starting to be discounted.
They can achieve close to the same thing with a sports package on the GS line. Better brakes, better suspension and a body kit option on the entire GS line.
IS_F are not selling. M3's are sitting on lots, C63's, which are sold in very limited numbers are starting to be discounted.
They can achieve close to the same thing with a sports package on the GS line. Better brakes, better suspension and a body kit option on the entire GS line.
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There's no chance of a GS-F anyway until the 4GS, & that would be in 2011 as a 2012 model at the earliest I think.
If they want to make a GS-F, I think it won't be until 2012 the earliest, hopefully, the economy & the high end lux.-car market would be much better than it is now.
I do hope we will see a GS-F for the 4GS, & if they do it properly, I think it can sell in decent #'s ...
If they want to make a GS-F, I think it won't be until 2012 the earliest, hopefully, the economy & the high end lux.-car market would be much better than it is now.
I do hope we will see a GS-F for the 4GS, & if they do it properly, I think it can sell in decent #'s ...
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GS F would be a fail.
the whole F line is a failure.
does any sport line make any money vs R&D poured into it?
who buys the RS, AMG, M, F cars?
vanilla GS has crappy sales. GSF will be 10x worse.
the whole F line is a failure.
does any sport line make any money vs R&D poured into it?
who buys the RS, AMG, M, F cars?
vanilla GS has crappy sales. GSF will be 10x worse.
According to some other websites talking about the same thing:
"Motor Trend speculates: 500-plus-horsepower, Formula 1-inspired sub-5.0-liter V-10 slated for the 2010 Lexus LF-A supercar, drop it in the body of the all-new 2011 GS sedan and you have the 2012 GS-F.
However, Lexus hasn't announced the engine, or even made the supercar official, but Toyota was said to be considering either the V-10 or a twin-turbo version of the LS sedan's V-8. The new V-10 was to be Toyota Formula 1-based, but that series now uses a V-8, and the street engine has been developed with diminished connection to the racing engine.
The GS-F apparently hasn't been approved for production yet."
Here are some concept pics floating around the web.
"Motor Trend speculates: 500-plus-horsepower, Formula 1-inspired sub-5.0-liter V-10 slated for the 2010 Lexus LF-A supercar, drop it in the body of the all-new 2011 GS sedan and you have the 2012 GS-F.
However, Lexus hasn't announced the engine, or even made the supercar official, but Toyota was said to be considering either the V-10 or a twin-turbo version of the LS sedan's V-8. The new V-10 was to be Toyota Formula 1-based, but that series now uses a V-8, and the street engine has been developed with diminished connection to the racing engine.
The GS-F apparently hasn't been approved for production yet."
Here are some concept pics floating around the web.