540i faster than GS??
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540i faster than GS??
My good friend just bought a 99540i.Its an automatic with tiptronic.It can shift down to first gear which is nice.So anyways i got to take the car for a nice drive.From a stop I tried it in M-1 and I wasnt expecting as much low end torque.It was a very smooth yet powerful takeoff that put me back in the seat a touch.I shifted at close to red into second then third and was going strong.I then tried from a stop in regular drive with similar results.Now was time for the highway drive and I'll tell ya from like 60 to 125 or so was like nothing(just like the gs
Now it may have been the fact that the handling stock vs a stock gs is superior but it felt IMO to be slightly faster than a stock GS4xx in on the x-way as well as from a stop.
Another thing I think it may have been is the way the car is geared.In 3rd for example I felt more throttle response.
What are some of the expected numbers on a 540 say in 0to60 and 1/4 mile.
Also what are some of your opinions on this topic.
By the way I completely love and am bias toward the Gs model and wouldnt trade for a 540i for a minute(is that how its said,in a minute,for a minute or do I need a yo at the end
Now it may have been the fact that the handling stock vs a stock gs is superior but it felt IMO to be slightly faster than a stock GS4xx in on the x-way as well as from a stop.
Another thing I think it may have been is the way the car is geared.In 3rd for example I felt more throttle response.
What are some of the expected numbers on a 540 say in 0to60 and 1/4 mile.
Also what are some of your opinions on this topic.
By the way I completely love and am bias toward the Gs model and wouldnt trade for a 540i for a minute(is that how its said,in a minute,for a minute or do I need a yo at the end
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Seat of the pants is never too helpful in picking the quicker of two fairly well matched cars; the published numbers suggest that a GS4 should certainly handle a 540iA, but the driver is important, and the subjective stuff (BMW mechanical sounds more apparent in cabin) is a very effective placebo.
No one disputes that they build fine cars from the driving experience standpoint.
But I've made my choice and it's been the same choice 3 (5, if you count wifey's) times in the last 22 years. Now, if only I could get a stick and 3 pedals in the GS4, God would be known to be in his heaven and the world would be spinning in well greased grooves!
No one disputes that they build fine cars from the driving experience standpoint.
But I've made my choice and it's been the same choice 3 (5, if you count wifey's) times in the last 22 years. Now, if only I could get a stick and 3 pedals in the GS4, God would be known to be in his heaven and the world would be spinning in well greased grooves!
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Originally posted by LexRX
Hmmm, I say we close this tread NOW. Some preventative maintenance :eek: You know what I'm talking about!
Hmmm, I say we close this tread NOW. Some preventative maintenance :eek:
You know what I'm talking about!
Mooretorque, correct me if I am wrong because I don't have all the facts but doesnt a stock 540 have better handling than a stock GS.I know that is one of the first things alot od us adress first is handling.I mean taking a off ramp at 60 in a Gs IMO is not comprable to the handling of a 540. ~oops sorry edit: I just reread your post and you meant handle as in handle in a race rather than outhandle.
Even with handle being used in that context I am not so sure a gs400 can handle that car so easily.IMO its close.
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Originally posted by BadBtsz4u
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LexRx I dont see why we shoudnt be able to have a healthy discussion or debate if you like with some different opinions.Its not like the thread reads 540 is a better car than a Gs.I have a feeling you posted this with a hint of sarcasm am I right
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LexRx I dont see why we shoudnt be able to have a healthy discussion or debate if you like with some different opinions.Its not like the thread reads 540 is a better car than a Gs.I have a feeling you posted this with a hint of sarcasm am I right
I agree with the healthy discussion, I actually enjoy it, wish we could do it more on subjects like this, but I just have the feeling that someone will screw things up with biased opinions. Maybe we should have a "mature members" discussion thread
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Originally posted by LexRX
Yes, I am full of sarcasm...seriously.
I agree with the healthy discussion, I actually enjoy it, wish we could do it more on subjects like this, but I just have the feeling that someone will screw things up with biased opinions. Maybe we should have a "mature members" discussion thread
Yes, I am full of sarcasm...seriously.
I agree with the healthy discussion, I actually enjoy it, wish we could do it more on subjects like this, but I just have the feeling that someone will screw things up with biased opinions. Maybe we should have a "mature members" discussion thread
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Well..There are some real world experiences posted in the Racing Forum.
If going by published numbers, stock auto vs stock auto, the GS is quicker and faster. This is also backed up with several real world experiences . I have over 35+ kills against 540's. ZERO LOSSES. A few ties. Most of the kills -20+- have come against my buddies 540 auto.
The GS easily outbrakes the 540, and published numbers even show the GS with better skidpad and slalom numbers.
But...stock....the 540 has a very nice "connected to the road feel", and less body roll which goes a long way for the amateur to build confidence.
A 540 6 speed is a "tad" quicker than the GS from the hole-so im told, but my experience against them on the highway is a dead even run. Others may have different experiences.
My suggestion to answer your question:
Go race him with your GS4. You will have your answer at that time.
If going by published numbers, stock auto vs stock auto, the GS is quicker and faster. This is also backed up with several real world experiences . I have over 35+ kills against 540's. ZERO LOSSES. A few ties. Most of the kills -20+- have come against my buddies 540 auto.
The GS easily outbrakes the 540, and published numbers even show the GS with better skidpad and slalom numbers.
But...stock....the 540 has a very nice "connected to the road feel", and less body roll which goes a long way for the amateur to build confidence.
A 540 6 speed is a "tad" quicker than the GS from the hole-so im told, but my experience against them on the highway is a dead even run. Others may have different experiences.
My suggestion to answer your question:
Go race him with your GS4. You will have your answer at that time.
Last edited by Pearlpower; Jul 20, 2002 at 09:33 PM.
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Originally posted by BadBtsz4u
Yeah right that would be somethin.Talk about a controversial topic,"mature members".So do we have a list of who is excluded or somethin:eek: Can you think of anyone who will make or depending on how you look at it not make the cut?
Yeah right that would be somethin.Talk about a controversial topic,"mature members".So do we have a list of who is excluded or somethin:eek: Can you think of anyone who will make or depending on how you look at it not make the cut?
I'm a little sarcastic, crazy maybe, but arguably mature in most respects. Just try not to think too hard about my sig. pic
As for the 540i vs. GS in speed. They are so close, it depends on the driver.
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yah the gs4 and the 540 are so closely matched that it all comes down to the driver and how well you know your car, Ive beaten the 540 before and Ive tied with a few Ive only lost to1 but I had 3 people in the car and he barely beat me
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Re: Real world
Originally posted by Pearlpower
Well..There are some real world experiences posted in the Racing Forum.
If going by published numbers, stock auto vs stock auto, the GS is quicker and faster. This is also backed up with several real world experiences . I have over 35+ kills against 540's. ZERO LOSSES. A few ties. Most of the kills -20+- have come against my buddies 540 auto.
The GS easily outbrakes the 540, and published numbers even show the GS with better skidpad and slalom numbers.
But...stock....the 540 has a very nice "connected to the road feel", and less body roll which goes a long way for the amateur to build confidence.
A 540 6 speed is a "tad" quicker than the GS from the hole-so im told, but my experience against them on the highway is a dead even run. Others may have different experiences.
My suggestion to answer your question:
Go race him with your GS4. You will have your answer at that time.
Well..There are some real world experiences posted in the Racing Forum.
If going by published numbers, stock auto vs stock auto, the GS is quicker and faster. This is also backed up with several real world experiences . I have over 35+ kills against 540's. ZERO LOSSES. A few ties. Most of the kills -20+- have come against my buddies 540 auto.
The GS easily outbrakes the 540, and published numbers even show the GS with better skidpad and slalom numbers.
But...stock....the 540 has a very nice "connected to the road feel", and less body roll which goes a long way for the amateur to build confidence.
A 540 6 speed is a "tad" quicker than the GS from the hole-so im told, but my experience against them on the highway is a dead even run. Others may have different experiences.
My suggestion to answer your question:
Go race him with your GS4. You will have your answer at that time.
As far as me racing him I have an unfair advantage but it willbe fun to do when we get a chance
You know how it goes I think 540 drivers will say its close but they have the edge and we say its close and really have the edge
See well there ya have it , there I go again I cant help it Im just too dang bias towards the GS LOL
Last edited by BadBtsz4u; Jul 21, 2002 at 12:24 AM.
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BadB, you're right, I meant "handle" as in 0-60, 0-100, quarter mile numbers that have been published. The numbers, on paper, favor the GS but as biggie pointed out, those numbers ARE close and the GS driver can certainly lose if not good, quick and careful. Half a second on paper doesn't amount to much in the real world, where reaction times can vary by that much and even the cars will differ, due to production tolerances, by a few tenths.
And stock 540 handling is, indeed, superior to GS. BMWs have long been known for excellent handling right out of the box. Our GSes have to be massaged a bit (altho the brakes, even stock, feel strong enough to stop the earth's rotation).
And stock 540 handling is, indeed, superior to GS. BMWs have long been known for excellent handling right out of the box. Our GSes have to be massaged a bit (altho the brakes, even stock, feel strong enough to stop the earth's rotation).
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Horsepower: 282 @ 5400
Torque: 324 @ 3600
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1/4-mile in 15.2 sec.
Top Speed: 128 mph
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Lexus 4.3liter V8 spec:
Horsepower: 300 @ 5600
Torque: 325 @ 3400
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I've never lost any race with 540 manual, not even tie. If you look at the spec, there is nowhere that BMW can compete with Lexus at "straight line" in stock.
I agree, while I was driving BMW, I felt that my car was faster but in fact it wasn't. That is when our butt-o-meter gives false feeling/information.
Horsepower: 282 @ 5400
Torque: 324 @ 3600
0-60 mph in 6.9 sec.
1/4-mile in 15.2 sec.
Top Speed: 128 mph
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lexus 4.3liter V8 spec:
Horsepower: 300 @ 5600
Torque: 325 @ 3400
0-60 mph in 6.3 sec.
1/4-mile in 14.5 sec.
Top Speed: 149 mph
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've never lost any race with 540 manual, not even tie. If you look at the spec, there is nowhere that BMW can compete with Lexus at "straight line" in stock.
I agree, while I was driving BMW, I felt that my car was faster but in fact it wasn't. That is when our butt-o-meter gives false feeling/information.
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Originally posted by RacingAristo
BMW 4.4liter V8 spec:
Horsepower: 282 @ 5400
Torque: 324 @ 3600
0-60 mph in 6.9 sec.
1/4-mile in 15.2 sec.
Top Speed: 128 mph
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lexus 4.3liter V8 spec:
Horsepower: 300 @ 5600
Torque: 325 @ 3400
0-60 mph in 6.3 sec.
1/4-mile in 14.5 sec.
Top Speed: 149 mph
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've never lost any race with 540 manual, not even tie. If you look at the spec, there is nowhere that BMW can compete with Lexus at "straight line" in stock.
I agree, while I was driving BMW, I felt that my car was faster but in fact it wasn't. That is when our butt-o-meter gives false feeling/information.
BMW 4.4liter V8 spec:
Horsepower: 282 @ 5400
Torque: 324 @ 3600
0-60 mph in 6.9 sec.
1/4-mile in 15.2 sec.
Top Speed: 128 mph
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lexus 4.3liter V8 spec:
Horsepower: 300 @ 5600
Torque: 325 @ 3400
0-60 mph in 6.3 sec.
1/4-mile in 14.5 sec.
Top Speed: 149 mph
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've never lost any race with 540 manual, not even tie. If you look at the spec, there is nowhere that BMW can compete with Lexus at "straight line" in stock.
I agree, while I was driving BMW, I felt that my car was faster but in fact it wasn't. That is when our butt-o-meter gives false feeling/information.