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Old Jun 6, 2023 | 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I wasn't talking about Tesla, at all.
You specifically mentioned Tesla and short trips.

Back to Ford, they know full well their 1st generation of EV truck is not optimized at all. Everything from efficiency, wiring, weight etc. will be improved in their next generation Farley is no dummy.
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Old Jun 7, 2023 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I wasn't talking about Tesla, at all.
My bad.
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Old Jun 7, 2023 | 10:21 AM
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We just bought a 2023 F150 Powerboost hybrid recently. it has crazy acceleration and range. but to be honest, seeing dealers are charging msrp on the Lightening made me kind of regretting not wait for the Lightening.
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 04:01 PM
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Went by my local Ford store to check out a Mach E, but saw there was some Lightning to finally demo!

TL;DR : Ford builds a great truck, but just needs battery tech to catch up to it to be the next BIG THING!

Good : tomb like ride, standard cargo bed, great acceleration, good brakes, good visibility, good tech, familiar f150 interior

Bad : truck like handling, interior quality (pleather?)

Ugly : questionable battery range, especially towing

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- first interior impression was standard F150 affair : roomy, functional, very familiar for anyone who's driven/owned an f150

- interior quality was less than expected (pleather on a Lariat?) But otherwise ok

- seating height was great, similar to any other F150

- power was great, and very surprising for a big heavy truck. Luckily had good brakes as well

- ride was eerily very quiet, without even so much as road noise transmitted to cabin

- handling was very typical truck like: very wobbly bobbing around

- standard 5.4" bed can accommodate usual loads



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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 04:09 PM
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Great post. Yeah, F150 interior materials are pretty subpar, even when you're in the six-figure-plus Lightning Platnium or Raptor R.

The interesting thing about the handling is that the Lightning, with its low battery and independent rear suspension, is actually the best-handling full-size truck I've driven (although, as you pointed out, it's certainly not what one would call 'good')
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 04:50 PM
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How much range did the test drive suck?
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
How much range did the test drive suck?
Not enough to make any assessment from a quick test drive. If you're after range, a rivian with max pack is probably better for you....
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 06:26 PM
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Nice review, ST430. I'd agree with most of that. I have a Platinum, so the interior is better than the Lariat you drove and while I think it's on just about on par with the benchmark Ram interiors, the MSRP on the Ford is quite a bit higher and I agree it could be better. The Platinum has a different interior and because mine is a 2022 it has all the things that were decontented on the 2023 like massaging seats, on board scales and a few other things.

I think the ride is good, it's certainly better than most trucks and I think a little better than my buddy's Ram which has air. A little extra weight, passengers or load front or back, makes a lot difference. You don't get the best ride out of any truck when it's empty and this one is no exception. Mine also has the larger and heavier 22 inch wheels and tires, and the extra weight probably helps a bit too.

I continue to love the power, it's about 4 seconds dead 0 to 60 and it pulls strongly up to triple digit territory. I've never wanted more.

I get about the expected 300 mile range. I'm averaging around 2.1 miles per kWh from new and I drive it hard enough that even a moderate relaxation in driving would push me well beyond the EPA range. The Lariat with the extended range battery has a 320 mile range, as it has smaller wheels and less equipment.

Ford isn't up to Tesla levels on their in car software or their app, but I've had a few major OTA software revisions which have added a new UI, new features and other general enhancements, and Ford has an early access program (which I'm in) where you can get certain updates ahead of time. In the last couple pf weeks alone we also got DC fast charge enhancements and an update on the range algorithm.

Overall I continue to be really happy with mine. I got lucky getting mine in 2022 as I got the tax credit. If I'd taken delivery in 23 I'd have been out of luck as my truck fails the MSRP test (I exceed the income limit anyway so it's moot all round) but with a 2022 at MSRP, which mine was, I had no decontenting issues and the full tax credit. MSRP on mine would have been another 5K now, so with 2022 MSRP plus credit it worked out as well as it could. Now you pay more for less.

I think Ford did a great job with these overall. I get a lot of people asking about it when they see it and have taken a few out for a quick test drive, and ST430, you're welcome to have a drive in mine anytime as we're Bay Area neighbors. The Platinum addresses at least some of your concerns, but mostly because the more you drive these the more things it reveals.
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Originally Posted by ST430
Not enough to make any assessment from a quick test drive. If you're after range, a rivian with max pack is probably better for you....
and the max pack is 180kwh and probably takes a rivian to over 8000lbs
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 07:39 PM
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duplicate kk

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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ST430
Not enough to make any assessment from a quick test drive. If you're after range, a rivian with max pack is probably better for you....
Lol I have a 200LX, I'm good Rivian-wise. But they look sharp.
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 07:41 PM
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Thank you for sharing! This was awesome to hear a review from actual owner. What has real world range been like?

Originally Posted by swajames
Nice review, ST430. I'd agree with most of that. I have a Platinum, so the interior is better than the Lariat you drove and while I think it's on just about on par with the benchmark Ram interiors, the MSRP on the Ford is quite a bit higher and I agree it could be better. The Platinum has a different interior and because mine is a 2022 it has all the things that were decontented on the 2023 like massaging seats, on board scales and a few other things.

I think the ride is good, it's certainly better than most trucks and I think a little better than my buddy's Ram which has air. A little extra weight, passengers or load front or back, makes a lot difference. You don't get the best ride out of any truck when it's empty and this one is no exception. Mine also has the larger and heavier 22 inch wheels and tires, and the extra weight probably helps a bit too.

I continue to love the power, it's about 4 seconds dead 0 to 60 and it pulls strongly up to triple digit territory. I've never wanted more.

I get about the expected 300 mile range. I'm averaging around 2.1 miles per kWh from new and I drive it hard enough that even a moderate relaxation in driving would push me well beyond the EPA range. The Lariat with the extended range battery has a 320 mile range, as it has smaller wheels and less equipment.

Ford isn't up to Tesla levels on their in car software or their app, but I've had a few major OTA software revisions which have added a new UI, new features and other general enhancements, and Ford has an early access program (which I'm in) where you can get certain updates ahead of time. In the last couple pf weeks alone we also got DC fast charge enhancements and an update on the range algorithm.

Overall I continue to be really happy with mine. I got lucky getting mine in 2022 as I got the tax credit. If I'd taken delivery in 23 I'd have been out of luck as my truck fails the MSRP test (I exceed the income limit anyway so it's moot all round) but with a 2022 at MSRP, which mine was, I had no decontenting issues and the full tax credit. MSRP on mine would have been another 5K now, so with 2022 MSRP plus credit it worked out as well as it could. Now you pay more for less.

I think Ford did a great job with these overall. I get a lot of people asking about it when they see it and have taken a few out for a quick test drive, and ST430, you're welcome to have a drive in mine anytime as we're Bay Area neighbors. The Platinum addresses at least some of your concerns, but mostly because the more you drive these the more things it reveals.
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Old Jul 5, 2023 | 07:59 PM
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I’m getting just under 300, which is the official rating for my trim level, and could get over 300 quite easily with just a little less enthusiasm on the pedal. I’m averaging 2.1 to 2.2 miles per kWH since delivery.
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Old Jul 6, 2023 | 06:34 AM
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I have seen some of these out, glad you enjoy OP!!!!
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Old Jul 6, 2023 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by swajames
I’m getting just under 300, which is the official rating for my trim level, and could get over 300 quite easily with just a little less enthusiasm on the pedal. I’m averaging 2.1 to 2.2 miles per kWH since delivery.
Have you done a review on it yet?

If so, please drop the link so we can see.
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