Yes, I feel I wasted my life doing that Press Press Press Press Hold 5~7 second...

So I did pay 16/ monthly for remote start phone app and stuff... Which is little better but I was TRICKED.
I thought remote start means remote start...not APP bull****

 

I've had a '17 es300h for a week now. I previously had a '12 Acura TL. The big annoyances for me are:

No simple AC button. Going through three screens in the infotainment is not convenient.

Required to hold down cruise control button in order to use standard mode. Radar cruise control sucks in my opinion.

The seats have little holes that get stuff stuck in them. I don't know why this never happened to Acura because they had the same thing but it's hard to get a little bits out of these seats, even with a vacuum. If anybody has tips on that I am all ears.

No sunglasses holder.

My TL had the 12-volt power outputs more conveniently placed for me. It had one in the front console and one in the center armrest. The ES has one in the center armrest and one in the back. That's strictly preference but it worked out better for me in the TL

The TL showed the next song coming up when using a USB drive for media. The ES does not. Unless there's some function that I'm missing.

I prefer the straight shifting up and down between park, reverse, drive and sport mode rather than sideways and up and down that the ES has.

But first, almost all of those are simple little first world problems that I have to really think about in order to identify because they're not that big of a deal. Second, while it's not fair to compare the two cars because there's a five-year difference, the ES is superior in the things that really matter such as fit and finish, seat quality, reliability, road noise and the fact that there's no touchscreen. I'm kicking and fighting going into the future but I hate touch screens in cars. My big sausage like fingers always seem to click the wrong button. It's not a problem with a phone or tablet because you're stationary. But when you're driving in a car and have to pay attention to the road and you're subject to movements from the road, it can be a pain in the neck. I far prefer this little mouse controller deal then the touch screen in my wife's pilot or any other vehicle I've ever driven with a touch screen.

 

And bull****** it is. It is unreliable, and they have these messages on the app on your phone on a Friday afternoon in the heart of winter "system not available we are undergoing schedule maintenance". Makes you want to get rid of your car. But I forget, these cars still last more than 150k miles. The ratings on the appstore and google play for this app still absolutely suck.

 

Yea my cousin got a 2004 Lexus still going strong. 200K + Mile no problem...
But the APP it's really not so useful. Hopefully they giving us New Options like PHONE Mirroring

 

AC can be configured to be controlled by recirculation button: Internal/external = AC OFF, Auto = AC ON. Before I learned about this feature I was just frustrated as you are.

Since you just got your ES you may want to check out this thread:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/es-...now-about.html

 

I'm not sure I understand the disappointment with the lack of AC button. Neither my 2015 nor 2019 have/had such a button but I have not needed it. My NX does have a separate AC button, but I have never touched it. I just set the controls to a desired temperature and select "Auto" and let the car manage it. This represents a clear change from previous cars, but I'm not sure I understand why it is a problem as the car's auto setting handles the temperatures very well. I actually like the change. Cleans up the dash for a button that would be completely unused by me (and many others).

I have also had reasonably good luck with the much maligned remote app, which I have kept active throughout the life of my Lexus vehicles. I have experienced a few failures, but it still works 98% of the time. It is slow, but there is a lot going on in the background since it works over the cellular network rather than an RF radio like many remote starters. I am not thrilled with it and would certainly stop short of singing it any praises, but I am OK with its limitations. It provides more information and features on the 2019 ES, such as tire pressures and the ability to flash your emergency lights (in case you can't find your car in the parking lot). The 2020 ES owners have been plagued with remote app problems, with far more issues than the 6th generation cars.

 

In many climates constant use of AC may quickly result in mold growing on evaporator. Plus it reduces fuel economy and may lead to premature AC failures.

 

Count me in with the group that would want an AC button on the dash.

There are times when the outside temperature is such that it feels good just to have fresh air blowing out of the ducts and, with conditioned air, it just feels a bit chilly and too dry for my tastes. In those cases, it is inconvenient to have to access and work my way through the menus to turn off the compressor.

I also find it annoying that the climate control system defaults to the recirculate mode whenever the outside temperatures are around 75 or higher. I've found that having the system operate continuously in the recirculate mode results in stale and musty air inside the car. I've gotten into the habit of reaching down to change the system to the fresh air mode every time I start the car and the outside temperature is above the mid 70s.

While, theoretically, the compressor needs to work less, once the cabin has cooled down, in the recirculate mode, on hot days when the car has been sitting in the sun, the compressor actually needs to work harder initially to cool down the car in the recirculate mode.

 

Yes, I sometimes forget that we have extremely low humidity out here in the arid desert. Right now we are at 25% and by July we can often be in the teens and sometimes even single digits. So, this consideration is likely to vary a great deal by prevailing climate conditions.

 

Wait, I dunno there is bottom to turn the AC off?
I thought you must go to Climate control????
but I do know Auto will always automatically turn AC on

 

While you are correct in saying that the AC compressor can be configured to be controlled with the recirculate button, there is a significant downside to doing so.

If you set it up so that the recirculate button turns the compressor on and off, whenever the compressor is turned on, the system will be in recirculate mode and you cannot even manually switch to fresh air mode. If it is running constantly in recirculate mode, the cabin air tends to become stale very quickly.

 

That's what I was going to say. I figured out how to do it and it's a good tip so thank you NdYAG. But I usually prefer the outside air unless it's really dusty or there's a big diesel truck in front of me 😋

I know this is a pet peeves thread but to give the ES credit - No Rattles! I am OCD about rattles and it seems like it's a required feature of any Honda product. So far, not a single rattle or squeak in this thing. Hopefully it stays that way.

 

I prefer my AC to run in recirculation mode - I see no point in constant removing water from ambient air and never notice any "stale" air.