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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
An ever shrinking group of people prefer print media. To say its dying is a dramatic understatement. Way more people read C&D online than read the magazine.

That was my Dad's industry, I can name dozens of bankrupt companies to prove that point lol

This article is a great example, I get WAY more out of a Straight Pipes comparison than this C&D article.
I'm sorry, I meant to say "text", not "print" as in actual print.
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 11:07 AM
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The quirks of the vehicle, not his quirks. You said people were more interested in his quirks and lifestyle and I just don't see that at all.

There just might be something to the "quirks" issue. Scotty Kilmer, for instance, probably gets a lot of hits from people who just want to be entertained by him raising his voice and flinging his arms around.

And Doug Demro is well-known for the way he introduces each review......"And TTTHHHIIISSS is the (whatever vehicle)"
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 11:14 AM
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I would wager that the majority of Doug's viewers are not enthusiasts and probably have no idea that others like Savagegeese even exist. He's just a staple of YouTube culture.
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 11:19 AM
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There's nothing to stop C&D or MT from putting such descriptions in their articles either, and they did do so in other comparison tests that were far better-written than this one, but I don't think even if they did that and made videos it would change the fundamental difference in appeal. The most popular YT car personalities- Doug Demuro, Scotty Kilmer, Supercar Blondie- all have one thing in common: their viewers are generally more focused on their quirks or lifestyle rather than the car they're reviewing. C&D and MT, regardless of their quality, have always placed the car before any personality.
C&D used to! I've been subscribed to them for a decade.. their reviews and comparison tests used to be much longer and detailed, and would be written with charm and funny/interesting comparisons and phrases, like a Youtuber's video is. Their quality has just dropped a lot in the past 2 years, with the written reviews appearing way more "corporate" and "professional", not much of what used to make C&D so special.

That said i absolutely hate Doug Demuro as a car reviewer, and there are many people that agree with me and don't watch him either even if he does get a million or two views per video. He does not do a good job of actually reviewing the car imo and never has. I much rather be reading news articles than listening to him.

EDIT: saw your comment how you don't think Doug's viewers aren't car enthusiasts and I do agree with that.
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 11:39 AM
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Scotty Kilmer is not a car reviewer guys…
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Scotty Kilmer is not a car reviewer guys
Unless it's an old toyota with 100k miles or more.
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 12:07 PM
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Exactly!

to try and not drag this more off topic, I’m going to post a video from C&D I just watched that I thought was really great in the General Car Chat Thread…
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
Having had V8s myself and now I6 turbo (similar size, similar weight), I can agree to this. I can see one reason for big V8 if you tow a lot. But even so, when I see a vehicle towing something big, it's almost certain it's not a non American truck. So in any case, Toyota/Lexus know it's not a profitable piece of cake for them. I6 turbo is plenty for this S500. 4.5 is very fast!
the Mercedes I6 is state of the art engine 429HP. Just insane. But it’s still a 6 …there are better V8s out there. Chevrolets new V8 at 670HP for a naturally aspirated engine. 2.6 0-60 times. That is some serious engineering (in this day and age). 8600RPM

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Toyota/Lexus know it's not a profitable piece of cake for them.t!
Lexus is just super cheap. The largest automaker in the world. They 100% could do a state of the art V8. If General Motors can do it…Toyota can too There is simply no replacement for displacement. The bigger the V8 the better.

As per inline 6. Glad MB is doing it. Toyota used to doing. Land Cruiser, Soarer, Supra all had inline 6. Now they don’t

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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 07:39 PM
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They can do it if course, it just doesn’t make any sense for them to.
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
it just doesn’t make any sense for them to.
Sure it does. The LC could use a new V8. The Lexus LS. The Lexus LX. Land Cruiser should have one. Century could use one. RC. IS. GX. If GM can do it…Toyota can. They are just being cheap.
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
There is simply no replacement for displacement. The bigger the V8 the better.
No offense, Jill, but IMO you've been reading too much of that old street-rod stuff from the days before modern engineering and electronic engine-controls. Today's V8 engines, with often-smaller displacement than the ones I grew up with, are producing astounding amounts of HP and torque....more-so with HP. In the days of the classic American muscle-cars, around 425-435 HP and 500 ft-lbs of torque was the absolute max from the factory, without mods. Today, and to use Dodge as an example, you have smaller-displacement Hemis than those in the late 60s producing up to 800 HP stock from the factory. Simply insane.

And, not only that, but all else equal, a larger V8 also weighs more, which, again all else equal, affects the car's center-of-gravity, weight-distribution, steering/handling response, and braking action.
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Old Oct 22, 2022 | 08:01 PM
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No offense, Jill, but IMO you've been reading too much of that old street-rod stuff from the days before modern engineering and electronic engine-controls. Today's V8 engines, with often-smaller displacement than the ones I grew up with, are producing astounding amounts of HP and torque.....
No offence taken. Larger engines have wonderfully satisfying feel to them. It’s not all about performance

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, you have smaller-displacement Hemis than those in the late 60s producing up to 800 HP stock from the factory. Simply insane.

And, not only that, but all else equal, a larger V8 also weighs more, which, again all else equal, affects the car's center-of-gravity, weight-distribution, steering/handling response, and braking action.
Would you believe the Toyota 4.7 V8 is heavier than the 5.7 V8?
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Old Oct 23, 2022 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Would you believe the Toyota 4.7 V8 is heavier than the 5.7 V8?
I'll do you one better. Would you believe GM's LS7 (7.0L V8) weighs exactly the same as Nissan's VQ37 (3.7L V6)? Both are 430 lbs.
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Old Oct 23, 2022 | 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by geko29
I'll do you one better. Would you believe GM's LS7 (7.0L V8) weighs exactly the same as Nissan's VQ37 (3.7L V6)? Both are 430 lbs.
That's why I said "all else equal", a larger engine is heavier. There are obviously other factors here in the design and construction.

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Old Oct 23, 2022 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
That's why I said "all else equal", a larger engine is heavier. There are obviously other factors factors here in the design and construction.
Well that's the thing, it's never all else equal since V8s inherently have a massive advantage in terms of physical size/weight vs output vs any other engine configuration. That's why they exist in the first place and that goes even more so for the pushrod type engines, they are the size of a 4 cyl and extremely light with over 2x the power at least....

The larger V8s have no disadvantage at all to smaller displacement engines since their physical footprint is less. The most extreme example is the fact you can fit a 7.0L engine in a Miata and only gain 50lb

The smallest engine I own in terms of physical size is by far the largest displacement and power output, 6.8L and over 4 inches smaller in overall size in one dimension than my 3uz or EA824 and outpowers both combined. It's 5 inches smaller in all dimensions than the 1/3UR engines as well. It's also smaller in size than the 2.5 V6 I have, it also weighs the same since it's weight is only 500lb since it's an iron block engine vs the rest of the V8s being aluminum.

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