You BEVed him.

 

Heck yeah. I turned to this little old lady who was driving a Lexus and waiting for this pump, looked her in the eye and told her I wasn't moving an inch until they put in a charger! She had no idea what I was talking about, so I left...

 

Because he hates EVs and the change was to benefit EVs lol.

I'd much rather have somewhere to charge my EV than some grassy spot nobody ever uses.

 

At the moment, I don’t really see the point of chargers at gas stations unless they’re Level 3 fast DC chargers. However, this could just be the beginning and maybe they’ll be a palatable business model for hybrid “energy” stations — get your gas/diesel/electricity. If anything, a gas station owner is more likely to profit from EV owners. While waiting for my charge to complete I am more likely to buy snacks and drinks than a customer filling up their gas tank.

 

I think it will morph to charging stations surrounded by convenience store along with coffee shops and something like a mini food court. I see this setup in So-cal all the time for Tesla Superchargers

There will also be large stations at grocery stores for those that can't charge at home. The last time I went to a Supercharger, I was around 30%...plugged in and went to Starbucks and by the time i got back to my car, it was 80% (~15 min). I just laugh when someone suggest it takes an hour to charge the newer EVs (unless...its a Toyota / Subaru of course). I think they'll figure all this stuff out soon and all cars will charge in like 15-20 minutes at a DC fast charger (from 10-80%).

 

If there was an attached restaurant of any sort it would make sense IMO, sit down and eat something and come back to an 80% car at least seems fine to me. I am just waiting for enough range and some other factors, charging isn't too bad of an annoyance if it's just a local vehicle

 

That is the exact experience our family had today. We drove from Sacramento to Los Angeles, roughly 400 miles. At the halfway point the nav told us to make a 15 minute charging stop. However, after three hours on the road we were hungry and decided to eat at the adjacent steakhouse. Came out and the Model Y was charged to 91% and allowed us to skip the second planned charging stop and head directly to our hotel.

@EZZ Saw something else interesting while charging in Pasadena. It was a Supercharger station that also had some city-branded fast chargers. I saw two Teslas use the Pasadena Power-Up chargers instead of the Supercharger next to it. I asked why and the folks said Pasadena provides free fast charging, as long as you have a CCS adapter. Unexpectedly, one of the Tesla CCS users held up a box and said he had an extra for sale, lol. I asked if it was the Korean model and he confirmed it was. Too bad my July 2021-built Y is missing CCS support due to parts shortage. Maybe I can get a retrofit down the line and will consider a CCS adapter. For now Tesla Superchargers meet my needs.

What I found most amusing is how the other Tesla CCS user pointed towards the Supercharger row and said they’re too expensive. Yes, anything is “more expensive” compared to free. If you can afford the Tesla, you can afford Supercharging. Even though I was charging at peak rates of 59 cents per kW, which is 6x my home rate, the total was still half the cost of gas! If I waited until after 9pm then it would’ve been even cheaper at 29 cents per KW. I was charging at a peak rate of 1042 miles/hour but that quickly tapered off. It took 31 minutes to go from 10% to 80% but the time flew by as I ate and watched some Disney+.

 

Were you able to pre-condition before charging? Also, was the station full? I think the Pasadena one is a V3. The fastest i've ever charged was 10-80% in about 23 minutes but I was able to do that on a V3 that was empty and i had preconditioned for awhile. I also have a 2019 model and I hear they charge faster.

Mine of course is too old to have the CCS ability but I'm hoping there is a retrofit from Tesla. I think its a $150 module they have to install. The adapter is $300 so is it worth the ability to use CCS for $450? I'd have to think about that... LA has the highest Supercharger prices right now in the nation. The local utility is charging a boatload. I mean I had to spend like $30 once to get 200 miles...such a travesty... Its really $35 because I had to get a $5 cold brew at Starbucks while I waited

 

I did not precondition but I figured the battery is warm enough with 89 degrees outside and us just arriving at the hotel after a 3 hr drive at freeway speeds. Checked into the hotel and unloaded the car then I went straight to Supercharge. Every other stall was occupied but I thought that no longer matters with V3. I was definitely using the thinner V3 cable and I peaked at 1042 miles/hr at 250 kW. I went from 10% to 60% in only 15 minutes and then took another 16 minutes to get from 60% to 80%. I suspect the battery may have been too warm because I could feel the AC wasn’t cooling the cabin as well and probably prioritizing cooling the battery. Maybe if I had exited the car, and not ran AC and watched shows while charging, then all the resources could be focused on charging. I still thought it was all pretty fast and not enough “me time” to unwind, eat, and catch up on emails, messages, and forum activities.

I agree about CCS ROI. Just a neat want and definitely not a need.

 

Sounds like you had a pretty good charging session. I only charge to about 60% now when I go on roadtrips...i find it helps break up the driving if I charger hop and do the whole 10% to 60% and back down to 10% driving strategy. In theory, I think its also a little faster than charging to 80% and driving a little longer.

I hear West Hollywood is getting a diner and drive in movie theater setup. Definitely going to visit that when it opens.

 

I was at the Nevada border just south of Carson City today and the Chevron station at the Topaz Lodge has a few Tesla chargers going. South about 70 miles in Lee Vining 91 octane at the Chevron was $7.69 per…

 

While we are talking about gas station and EV stations, I remember reading about this gas station a couple years ago that converted all of their gas pumps to charging stations. I just don't see how the owner can stay in business without earning much revenue from charging. In the suburbs like where I live, no way I would ever use a charging station when I can charge at home so I just don't see the traffic volume being there to get people to shop in the mini-mart to make up the lost revenue. In the city where people can't charge at home, yeah maybe that would work but in the burbs, I don't think so.

https://www.businessinsider.com/gas-...september-26-1

 

In a big cities like SF, SJ, Los Angeles and heavy travel routes it could work, not the selling of electricity because that's usually at cost, but I don't see why having a coffee shop like Starbucks (or leasing an area to a Starbucks) or a convenience store wouldn't attract business. I mean look at EZZ, he probably keeps Starbucks in business with his $5 Latte's . I could definitely see it work. In the Burbs, you would put them in mall, Walmart, or Supermarket parking lots. That's what EA does, they make money by charging a $4 a month membership fee

 

There's a Tesla Supercharger station at my local Fred Meyer grocery store. It's always busy. The other day I was in line paying for groceries and there was a family in line ahead of me. The man checked his phone and said "oh, the car is already at 80%, you finish up here and I'll go get it" and then he ran out to pull it off the charger and open up the space. I think it's the perfect setup to be able to grocery shop while your car charges.

 

Yes that is my point, this station is not in the city, it’s in the burbs. I’m curious how this station is working out financially.