Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova

2023 BMW i7

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 02:37 PM
  #166  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,072
Likes: 3,868
From: Maryland
Default

I have heard over and over again from people that the new 7 looks like a Rolls Royce, including from my wife, I see it too. When you put them side by side, obviously it doesnt look like a RR, but when you see it alone it definitely has RR vibes.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 02:45 PM
  #167  
Motorola's Avatar
Motorola
Thread Starter
Lexus Test Driver
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 5,482
Likes: 89
From: N/A
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
I have heard over and over again from people that the new 7 looks like a Rolls Royce, including from my wife, I see it too. When you put them side by side, obviously it doesnt look like a RR, but when you see it alone it definitely has RR vibes.
It's tall like a Rolls Royce because it has to accommodate a huge battery for the i7. That's the only part that gives it the Rolls Royce impression, alongside the huge grille which isn't exclusive to Rolls.

To be fair, I can't blame the designer here- this is all on the tastes of the Chinese market, which is the 7's target audience. That Hongqi I posted earlier? Designed by Giles Taylor, former head of Rolls Royce design.



Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:03 PM
  #168  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,072
Likes: 3,868
From: Maryland
Default

Whatever gives it that impression doesn't matter, people definitely get that impression.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:12 PM
  #169  
Motorola's Avatar
Motorola
Thread Starter
Lexus Test Driver
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 5,482
Likes: 89
From: N/A
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Whatever gives it that impression doesn't matter, people definitely get that impression.
Impressions don't often align with reality, and the reality is that the BMW is closer to this than the Rolls.


And surprise surprise, the Chinese market loves huge ugly overbites on their flagship sedans too.


Last edited by Motorola; Apr 24, 2022 at 03:15 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:17 PM
  #170  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,072
Likes: 3,868
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by Motorola
Impressions don't often align with reality, and the reality is that the BMW is closer to this than the Rolls.
But when it comes to public perception, impressions are all that matter. BMW will get mileage out of the fact that this vehicle reminds people of a Rolls Royce. Thats the point.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:19 PM
  #171  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,471
Likes: 3,826
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
I have heard over and over again from people that the new 7 looks like a Rolls Royce, including from my wife, I see it too.
what 'people'? the car isn't even out.

When you put them side by side, obviously it doesnt look like a RR, but when you see it alone it definitely has RR vibes.
if bmw can fool people into thinking their customers are driving a rolls royce, good for them. people actually buying one or the other won't be fooled.

i don't see any "RR vibes" whatsoever. i think it looks absolutely terrible, with its only distinctiveness being a ridiculous and unnecessary front design and overhang.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:25 PM
  #172  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,072
Likes: 3,868
From: Maryland
Default

Originally Posted by bitkahuna
what 'people'? the car isn't even out.
Uh, people who have seen the pictures...which are posted here?

if bmw can fool people into thinking their customers are driving a rolls royce, good for them. people actually buying one or the other won't be fooled.
Nobody will be fooled lol, but there are a lot of people out there who like the profile of a Rolls Royce, and this will appeal to them on that basis.

i don't see any "RR vibes" whatsoever. i think it looks absolutely terrible, with its only distinctiveness being a ridiculous and unnecessary front design and overhang.
Lots of people do though, I have come across it on multiple forums, facebook comments, and like I said it was the first thing my wife said when she saw the pictures. Like Motorola said its the tall upright sedan-ness of it. A Rolls Royce is almost SUV tall despite being a sedan.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:27 PM
  #173  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,471
Likes: 3,826
Default

Originally Posted by Motorola
To be fair, I can't blame the designer here- this is all on the tastes of the Chinese market, which is the 7's target audience. That Hongqi I posted earlier? Designed by Giles Taylor, former head of Rolls Royce design.
...

i'd not heard of hongqi... but found this nugget...

Hongqi is believed to have a major technical partner lined up as part of its world push. One rumour says it is Lexus; it has certainly used some Lexus petrol engines in previous models.


and...

Taylor tells Life & Leisure at the Frankfurt Motor Show that the company has the goal of being the No. 1 luxury brand in China, ahead of the Europeans, and to spread out from there. He says younger customers in China, many of them with extreme wealth, are very keen to buy a local product, but acceptance in the West will take time.

A forthcoming flagship will carry a Rolls-Royce price tag but will be a very different vehicle.

“We are not going to copy a Western aesthetic,” says Taylor. “The Hongqi brand is the oldest and most luxurious in China. The artistic culture of [the country], whether it’s woods, leather, jade, silks … ancient sculpture, fashion, calligraphy … there is a beautiful, rich, crafted history that has to form the backbone of any Hongqi at the pinnacle. We will use those elements in a way that is beautiful and elegant and will attract people in their own right.”

Taylor is more than confident that the company can realise its lofty ambitions. “I can feel the energy.”
https://www.afr.com/life-and-luxury/...0190921-p52tj6

Last edited by bitkahuna; Apr 24, 2022 at 03:32 PM.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:28 PM
  #174  
Motorola's Avatar
Motorola
Thread Starter
Lexus Test Driver
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 5,482
Likes: 89
From: N/A
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
But when it comes to public perception, impressions are all that matter. BMW will get mileage out of the fact that this vehicle reminds people of a Rolls Royce. Thats the point.
The problem is, BMW isn't making a car that looks like a Rolls, they are making a car for the Chinese market where there is an entire segment of cars like that Hongqi, that originated as Rolls Royce knockoffs. In other words, they're making a product that visually matches the rest of the segment it was designed for in its primary target market. Nobody will confuse it with a Rolls, but many will cross-shop it with a Hongqi.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:28 PM
  #175  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,072
Likes: 3,868
From: Maryland
Default

Whats interesting is it LOOKS tall, but its really not that tall. Its 60.8 inches tall, and a W223 is 59.3 so 1.5 inches taller. RR Phantom is 65 inches tall. For the record my Pacifica is 69.9 inches tall, that shows you how tall a RR is.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:31 PM
  #176  
Motorola's Avatar
Motorola
Thread Starter
Lexus Test Driver
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 5,482
Likes: 89
From: N/A
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Whats interesting is it LOOKS tall, but its really not that tall. Its 60.8 inches tall, and a W223 is 59.3 so 1.5 inches taller. RR Phantom is 65 inches tall. For the record my Pacifica is 69.9 inches tall, that shows you how tall a RR is.
It's the same height as the RR Ghost. The Phantom is taller by virtue of being a much longer car.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:32 PM
  #177  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 68,072
Likes: 3,868
From: Maryland
Default

Ghosts look much taller than a typical sedan in person also, its likely the height of the hood and trunk as well that gives that appearance.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:35 PM
  #178  
Motorola's Avatar
Motorola
Thread Starter
Lexus Test Driver
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 5,482
Likes: 89
From: N/A
Default

Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i'd not heard of hongqi... but found this nugget...
They actually had a partnership with Toyota and made their own version of the Crown some years back:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongqi_H7
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 03:38 PM
  #179  
bitkahuna's Avatar
bitkahuna
CL Community Team
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 80,471
Likes: 3,826
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
Whats interesting is it LOOKS tall, but its really not that tall. Its 60.8 inches tall, and a W223 is 59.3 so 1.5 inches taller. RR Phantom is 65 inches tall. For the record my Pacifica is 69.9 inches tall, that shows you how tall a RR is.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
Ghosts look much taller than a typical sedan in person also, its likely the height of the hood and trunk as well that gives that appearance.
RR's have to be tall so the Queen can wear her hats inside.
Reply
Old Apr 24, 2022 | 04:18 PM
  #180  
Striker223's Avatar
Striker223
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 17,908
Likes: 1,702
From: Ohio
Default

Originally Posted by SW17LS
I have heard over and over again from people that the new 7 looks like a Rolls Royce, including from my wife, I see it too. When you put them side by side, obviously it doesnt look like a RR, but when you see it alone it definitely has RR vibes.
That's what I mean as well, side by side yeah no. But on its own it has that vibe.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:15 PM.