The horizontal tablet in dash was pioneered by the original Tesla Model S.

And the interesting thing is that the RR doesn't need to scream and yell with a gigantic nose/grill to get attention. Neither does the S class. Understated class is something lost on the "Fast/Furious" crowd. It just proves that you don't need a ridiculous face on the front of a vehicle to be considered new and trendy (hello BMW, Genesis, Lexus...what were you thinking).

The new S-Class grille is a monster too. It's actually bigger than the facelift 7 Series which everyone mocked for the giant schnoz when it came out.

Nowhere near as in your face. The grille on the S Class is very restrained.

Except that MB always had big grills. Go look at the MB saloons from back in the day. They were always big and bold, just like Rolls Royce. It was a statement. MB isn't deviating from their heritage. BMW OTH is being nonsensical. Audi is getting worse. They had a nice single frame but now they're trying too hard. And WTF is Genesis trying to do? You have a nice product but why make that gigantic thing a bigger thing?

Nope, it's significantly larger than the W221's.



BMW's horizontal grille existed back in the old days too, but no one is giving them a pass for their "heritage".



As for the Genesis? Not much of a discrepancy. In fact the G90 as a whole looks far more cohesive.

We get it, you hate the W223 lol. The grill is bigger sure, but its nowhere near as in your face as whats on the competition, thats just obvious.

Sorry, but I don't see how anybody can say that Genesis looks better than the S class next to it. I think the Genesis is a great looking car, but taking price out of the consideration, i would always take the S Class...as would everybody else. The Range Rover holds the same place in the luxury SUV segment. If price was equal, the best and classiest vehicle is the Range Rover. In a luxury sedan its the S Class.

That S Class will look classy and stately 15 years from now, and the Genesis will look like a caricature from another era.

On the contrary, I've been in many threads prior saying that the W223 is the best example of Mercedes's current "reduce lines" design philosophy, especially from the side. But the details of the front and back have always been fussy since pictures were leaked two years ago. And in person, that aspect of it isn't any better.

The Genesis blows the S-Class out the water. It's wider, sleeker, more cohesive, less fussy, and the grille is actually integrated into the body unlike how it protrudes outward from the S-Class. Also helps that it doesn't remind me of an A-Class every time I see the headlamps.

Sorry, I think you're nuts lol The G90 is the poster child of "fussy", and it will age so fast.

The only reason anybody would choose a G90 over an S Class is money. Full stop.

Like you said before, we'll agree to disagree on styling. The S-Class has already aged itself 10 years with that interior.

The main reason anyone would pick an S-Class over any other sedan is the badge. Even if it were the technical equivalent of a Lada, slapping the S-Class badge on it will still sell gangbusters. If truly great cars sold well, the Audi A8 wouldn't be flopping like it is currently.

There are many many more reasons to choose the S Class other than just the badge. The S Class is just unquestionably the best car in the segment, and it has a long history and pedigree of being that. You feel that history and engineering expertise whenever you sit behind the wheel of one. Nothing else feels quite the same. They are also conservatively and classically styled, and that means that like conservative fine clothing or watches or furniture, they never go out of style. So, if you really think about it if you want to buy a high end sedan that will get you respect at the valet stand or the country club or a nice restaurant or hotel for 10+ years, the S Class will do that for you. Everything else is trendy or trying too hard and that makes them get old looking more quickly. Even though the S Class is a lot more expensive, IMO that makes it a better value.

The A8 is not a car I would call a "truly great" car. They are very nice cars, I like them a lot and very seriously considered buying one, but the S Class is just a much more special car.

In the SUV world, that vehicle is the Range Rover. Look at an X7...that vehicle looks great now, but the refresh will come out and it will look old. Go back several generations of Range Rover, they still look great and command respect. This crop of Genesis vehicles will look ridiculous 5 years from now.

The Range Rover and S Class are comfortably the best vehicles in their respective segments and are probably the two best real world cars period.

The A8 is not the same an S class, VERY different appeal and more importantly feel. The A8 is edgy and violent in comparison to an S, the S is very effortless and serene. That's it's calling card, you get a completely different feeling washing over you when you drive them. The A8 is something you buy when the dodge cars are too brash but you still want power with a layer of luxury on top, the feeling of there being "layers" stacked on top is something the S class just doesn't suffer from. It is a monolith like the Lexus LS used to be but it also embodies power and control to an extent the LS never really tried to, it doesn't feel like how Audi does it......this is really hard to describe unless you drive all 4 major players back to back in a few days max. Audi and BMW do not have that monolith feeling the other two do.

This is coming from someone who picked Audi btw, I am not biased since Audi simply provided me more of what I wanted in a car/the driveline is the best one you can currently get. EA 824/825 and the ZF8 are unbeatable to the extent I overlooked the fact that my D4 is inferior to a 4th gen LS in terms of quality and solidity overall, it's a juiced up brawler in a suit vs a executive that knows how to fight if needed.

That's kind of the opposite of my point, which is that the new S-Class is anything but "conservatively and classically styled"- not when it's mimicking the trend of big grilles, gloss black interiors, and Tesla tablets. The S-Class has always been cutting edge, and while its looks do show a clear evolution from one existing model year to the next within generational gaps, it's a stretch to say that the design of the car hasn't evolved massively over the years. It's no 911.

The contrast with the Range Rover is exactly what frustrates me about this particular S-Class, because I would have expected the S-Class to take the same direction as the Range Rover- which we've already touched on with examples like the interior design. The Range Rover clearly isn't trying to mimic a Tesla, it is its own thing and it is confident with its own identity. While the S-Class feels like it's chasing after the latest trend, which is uncharacteristic for an S-Class.

How well any Genesis model ages will depend on what the subsequent generation of models will look like, as they age and establish brand consistency. One thing is for sure, the S-Class isn't helping its case with either its interior or its "references" to the old A-Class.

Sorry, when I look at the W223 I still see a very classic, conservative styled car that couldn’t be anything but a Mercedes S Class. It doesn’t look anything like an A Class, no more so than Mercedes have all kind of looked like bigger and smaller versions of a similar car. There are trend chasing elements that are frustrating I agree, but overall the package still is what it’s always been.

You yourself said the interior is almost indistinguishable from a Jaguar, how can it be “it’s own thing”?