Musk talks about NDA on FSD
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Musk talks about NDA on FSD
Elon Musk says Tesla owners 'don't seem to listen to me' because they ignore an NDA and share lots of videos of the company's 'full self-driving' tech
- Tesla owners ignore a NDA request to share fewer videos of the Full Self-Driving tech in action, Elon Musk said.
- VICE first reported on the NDA, which also tells FSD beta testers they can't speak to the media.
- "I don't know why there's an NDA, we probably don't need it," Musk said at a conference on Tuesday.
Elon Musk said on Tuesday that Tesla owners appear to ignore a request on a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) that urges drivers to share fewer videos of the company's Full Self-Driving (FSD) tech in action.
FSD, currently in beta, allows Teslas to change lanes, park itself, and recognize traffic lights and stop signs, but doesn't make the cars fully autonomous.
"There's a lot of videos shared," Musk said during the 2021 Code Conference. "I don't know why there's an NDA, we probably don't need it."
"People don't seem to listen to me" and they "just ignore it anyway," Musk added.
Tesla makes drivers who opt in for early access to the FSD beta software sign an NDA, VICE reported on Monday after obtaining a copy of the document.
"Do remember that there are a lot of people that want Tesla to fail; Don't let them mischaracterize your feedback and media posts," the Tesla NDA says, per VICE.
The NDA also says beta testers can't speak to the media, and says they should "share on social media responsibly and selectively ... consider sharing fewer videos, and only the ones that you think are interesting or worthy of being shared," according to VICE's report.
Some videos of Tesla's FSD software messing up have gone viral on social media. Some FSD beta testers have shared clips of the car slipping into the wrong lane, turning into oncoming traffic, and jerking back and forth when people on bicycles came near.
Tesla rolled out version 10 of its FSD software in early September. The tech is an enhancement of the company's Autopilot, a driver-assistance software that's installed in every Tesla vehicle.
FSD, currently in beta, allows Teslas to change lanes, park itself, and recognize traffic lights and stop signs, but doesn't make the cars fully autonomous.
"There's a lot of videos shared," Musk said during the 2021 Code Conference. "I don't know why there's an NDA, we probably don't need it."
"People don't seem to listen to me" and they "just ignore it anyway," Musk added.
Tesla makes drivers who opt in for early access to the FSD beta software sign an NDA, VICE reported on Monday after obtaining a copy of the document.
"Do remember that there are a lot of people that want Tesla to fail; Don't let them mischaracterize your feedback and media posts," the Tesla NDA says, per VICE.
The NDA also says beta testers can't speak to the media, and says they should "share on social media responsibly and selectively ... consider sharing fewer videos, and only the ones that you think are interesting or worthy of being shared," according to VICE's report.
Some videos of Tesla's FSD software messing up have gone viral on social media. Some FSD beta testers have shared clips of the car slipping into the wrong lane, turning into oncoming traffic, and jerking back and forth when people on bicycles came near.
Tesla rolled out version 10 of its FSD software in early September. The tech is an enhancement of the company's Autopilot, a driver-assistance software that's installed in every Tesla vehicle.
some like to post how much better FSD is getting when in reality it seems most of the mistakes FSD make are not shared by the owners. Owners are almost forced to share only when FSD looks good (because of NDA) then tesla fans can cheer from the hill top that its almost ready...any day now.
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.....uh....what?
and there would probably be thousands showing a lot more bad situations if owners didn't have to sign an NDA. I see tesla fans bragging repeatedly how good FSD is based on videos they see online...I wonder if that would change if the videos weren't skewed.
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I see tesla fans bragging repeatedly how good FSD is based on videos they see online...I wonder if that would change if the videos weren't skewed.
Also why are you against tech that is trying to save lives?
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Elon was asked about the NDA said it probably shouldn't exist people ignore it anyway. Tesla's concerns about Autopilot videos is clips will be shared to make Tesla look bad and generally be taken out of context. Which is highly understandable given the media coverage involving Tesla. Nearly every story about a Tesla crash, fire etc. will automatically be negative before any facts come out. The "driverless" crash was assumed to be 100% true (including from many on this forum) that didn't happen the driver and passenger were extremely drunk Autopilot or cruise control was not active. There were no stories that I saw to correct this misinformation.
This is what Elon said about Autopilot and their autonomous tech in general
This is what Elon said about Autopilot and their autonomous tech in general
the reality of doing the right thing matters more than the perception of doing the right thing
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Well, pretty much what I said. When the government gets involved (as it plans to) in the investigation of the FSD systems and how they are portrayed/marketed, Musk won't have the luxury of Non-Disclosure-Agreements. Witnesses will describe, under oath, exactly what they went through with these systems, and how (or if) they failed. And, yes, the average Congressperson or Senator will probably have enough sense to separate the true failures from morons trying to drive from the back seat, or those excessively distracted.
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Some of you might have missed that this only applies to customers who voluntarily apply to test otherwise unreleased beta software. There's really nothing particularly out of the ordinary about the existence of an NDA in those circumstances.
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Witnesses will describe, under oath, exactly what they went through with these systems, and how (or if) they failed. And, yes, the average Congressperson or Senator will probably have enough sense to separate the true failures from morons trying to drive from the back seat, or those excessively distracted.
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Statement one, certainly everyone doesn't ignore it. There are some that ignore it.
Statement two, certainly Tesla's reckless actions aren't killing people left and right. There are some unfortunate people that seem like they have been, but courts / law enforcement will figure that out.
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I'm reflecting what I actually think mmarshall believes (based on many, many posts).
Elon Musk says different, got source on the above? Maybe it happens but I've yet to see anyone say, I can't share Autopilot stuff because I'm under NDA.
Will they? Law enforcement said a Tesla killed two people and no one was driving.
Statement two, certainly Tesla's reckless actions aren't killing people left and right. There are some unfortunate people that seem like they have been, but courts / law enforcement will figure that out.