Originally Posted by LexsCTJill

I agree with most of what you are saying. I do think Toyota has dialed in a certain amount of “lag” in their LS500 but maybe done on purpose..I believe with the new 2022 update, it has been modified…in contrast to your Mercedes, they have more than 15 years of turbo models to dial in a different feel for their customers. I can absolutely promise you that Toyota tunes their models depending on category and demo, my Matrix with the 2.4 and the 5 speed is out of this world responsive..like WTF style…where my 1.8 Corolla is totally different in a more linear smooth and calm response. The my 04 4R is much more responsive than my 21 which feels like it was tuned for light acceleration etc. I think with the new Tundra, the hybrid max model is gonna be “the’ model to get

Originally Posted by LexsCTJill

So hood and the doors are aluminum. Front alluminum rear steel Surprised Toyota did that

Is there any truck out there that has a comparable adaptive variable suspension?

Originally Posted by SW17LS

When I drove the LS500s, any lag in the throttle felt just like the throttle lag I was so accustomed to from driving Lexus cars for so long, I didn't feel any sort of additional turbo lag.

They definitely tailor each powertrain for the application I agree,



Ram has a variable air suspension available

Originally Posted by LexsCTJill

Ram has air. I think on rear only. Tundra has both read air and all for wheels adaptive variable suspension.

Originally Posted by swajames

The Ram air suspension is four corner/front and rear, and it also does automatic leveling.

Originally Posted by SW17LS

When I drove the LS500s, any lag in the throttle felt just like the throttle lag I was so accustomed to from driving Lexus cars for so long, I didn't feel any sort of additional turbo lag.

They definitely tailor each powertrain for the application I agree

Originally Posted by SW17LS

I totally agree the 460 feels better, I deliberately didn’t get a 500 I just don’t feel this turbo lag people talk about. If the 500 had the space and the ride characteristics I had in the 460 The engine wouldn’t have stopped me from getting one.

And like I said, my TTV8 S560 feels totally natural. Just has a lot of power but the delivery is very smooth and linear.

And we’re not talking about a turbo 4cyl vs a V6 here. This is a twin turbo V6 with a hot V. Totally different.

Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen

V8TT have enough torque from the basic V8 before boost to not feel laggy, the 4 and 6 cylinders are worse, especially the 4 cylinders

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

I was actually making more of a reference to turbo 4's, that's where you really feel the lag people mention, especially in smaller 1.5L's like I had. The power doesn't kick in right away. TT V6 and V8 are going to be different. You can tune them to be more linear as they less underpowered before the turbos kick in

Originally Posted by SW17LS

In the context of this thread we are talking about this specific engine, which is the same engine that’s in the LS500.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

I went off topic a bit. I think generally this engine will do fine, I'm just wondering what it's reliability will be long term if it's frequently loaded to near capacity hauling large loads and used for towing

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

That especially true for the smaller 4's. In my Civic Si it would lag, then shoot like a rubber band when boost hit and felt really unnatural. The Accord 2.0t was much better but still nowhere as good as the na V6 it replaced. I would imagine a fully loaded truck that's pulling loads the V8 pulled would feel lag until boost hits

Originally Posted by SW17LS

I have confidence enough in Toyota to assume it will be fine

Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen

during towing the ecoboost is constantly boosting. The Fast Lane Truck did a mpg test between the 3.5 ecoboost and 5.7 Hemi, the ecoboost was abyssmal 8.5 mpg under towing while the hemi was 11-12. Turbos under boost are killer for mpg