I don’t think Jill is saying that OLED touchscreens are cheaper than buttons, I think what she means is that having a touchscreen AND buttons vs just a touchscreen is cost cutting which is hard to argue. Manufacturers are going to have a nice screen regardless of whether buttons are present.

 

I have 2 OLEDs and haven't experienced burn in, but I know people who have. I make sure we don't leave it on something that has a static image. The picture is amazing, but it's annoying to have to constantly be aware of the burn in possibility. I just replaced the TV in our main living area, and decided not to go OLED. I got the 85" Vizio Quantum X, since the room has a lot of natural light. It's supposed to hit 3000 nits of brightness, and the OLEDs, while having perfect blacks, can't get anywhere close to that. I haven't regretted the decision. I really can't tell the difference with the blacks due to almost 800 local dimming zones, and the brightness is a huge advantage in a bright room. I had pulled one of the OLEDs into the room to see if the natural light would be an issue, and it was. Similar to trying to look at your cell phone in sunlight. Washed out and lots of reflection. Will probably upgrade again with micro led finally arrives and is affordable.

 

pretty much you shouldn't have to worry about burn in unless you are using the screen commercially, like at a restaurant which has a static image 24/7. The only burn in possibility on the S class is the climate control area, but you wouldn't even be able to tell since that area never changes right?

 

I think the first gen Panamera interior looks way better with the buttons, I have heard some complaints of the new one being more difficult to use with everything touchscreen. I think the main thing is the screen, the wider center screen looks better in the 2nd Gen so some gravitate toward that, if the first gen had the wider center screen it would look much nicer.

I have read and heard from several sources touch screens/pads are cheaper to implement then buttons for every/most functions, especially higher quality buttons and switches and that is why automakers are doing them, saving money where they can despite so many complaints about them.

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/why-are...-touchscreens/
The sheer number of physical controls needed to control all that would be overwhelming—and overwhelmingly costly, MotorTrend reports. So, instead, we have simpler, sleeker, and cheaper touchscreens.
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...o-big-picture/

 

LCD touchscreens are cost effective. Mercedes implementation of OLED screens are not cheaper than buttons as those screens come with a giant premium. Component choice matters a lot.

 

Gauge cluster also.

I know several people with OLEDs in residential applications who had issues with burn in. My plan is to put one in my basement when its done since that will be my TV, but I would skip an OLED for the family room where the kids use it and leave it on menus etc.

 

Apple Watch has always on display with OLED screen without burn-in. TVs have pixel refresh and pixels shift to prevent burn-in it's not much of a thing as it used to be, but it's still a risk. I do get paranoid leaving Youtube static logo on my TV.

 

Like phones, these displays are much higher quality than what is used in TVs

 

i briefly had an LG OLED tv but returned it because it wasn't the right size (not tv's fault), but i also really didn't like the picture. enthusiasts ooh and aah over the 'blacks' but basically i felt the picture was way too dark, no matter how i adjusted it. i switched to a sony backlit lcd tv (for half the price) and have been very happy with it.

my new ipad is micro led back lit LCD and pretty amazing. can i see 'blooming' in a few circumstances? yes (hot white line/shape on jet black background), but i don't care, lol.

 

OLEDs have several advantages that may make it better for automotive applications. It doesn't have a backlight so no display brightness intruding cabin and visually easier to see at night. Also, curved OLEDs are much much easier to implement given OLEDs are flexible. Its a luxury product and not surprising something like a Mercedes would use it vs. traditional LCD.

 

At work we're adding more and more touchscreens in place of physical switches. We have realized some cost savings in doing so, but this is really being driven by the ability to customize the displays much more, and as systems get more complex, they get more difficult to control with a reasonable number of switches. The screens also allow better future growth and additional features. We can add a new feature and just update the display/control software, rather than trying to find more room for another switch, or be held back by only using the switches that we already have.

But I still hate them.

 

A lot of it depends on the room. My basement will be a big dark space, so great for an OLED. In my family room there are skylights and lots of windows and it wouldnt be ideal.

 

The old Porsche layout was just ugly, screen or not the new one is much better looking. The new S class, quite the opposite.

 

The savagegeese review is out.

mark loves the ride, but hates the 'disposable' 1%er car

 

after watching this review, i was struck by just how insanely complex the car is to operate, some of which the car does by 'itself' but a load of it the driver has control over through the screens and buttons and needs to know about.

i can understand spaceships or industrial machines operated by skilled people being complex. but cars? that untrained people have to drive? when do we get to the point that someone will have to be 'certified' to drive a car like this?

as most here know, i'm a 'techie' and like many new tech innovations that have come to cars over the years. but providing 'zillions' of controls isn't really intuitive. i'm ok with cars being clever and smart, but i think there needs to be a revolution in making it easier to use, maybe preset profiles for "just let me drive it" to "i'm **** retentive and want to control every setting".

there is some progress on this front though... i thought it was cool that mercedes now has left/right mirror controls where you don't have to select which mirror you're adjusting, it just 'knows' by seeing where you're looking (!). one problem even with that though is the driver may not be aware of the feature, so may not get to the adjusting because they can't see how to select a mirror. the car should probably show which mirror it's going to adjust (L / R).