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Old May 12, 2022 | 05:36 PM
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Two years later: two accidents and one battery replacement.

Personally will most likely still go through with my Model Y order.

Not sure how long I will keep it.
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Old May 12, 2022 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nicedude
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Two years later: two accidents and one battery replacement.

Personally will most likely still go through with my Model Y order.

Not sure how long I will keep it.
Have you considered the Model 3? We looked at both and weren't sure if we wanted to pay the price delta for what you gain in the Model Y.
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Old May 12, 2022 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Have you considered the Model 3? We looked at both and weren't sure if we wanted to pay the price delta for what you gain in the Model Y.
I hadn’t checked prices in a while and our 2021 Long Range Y was less than what a new Long Range 3 costs today.

For primary use I would still pay the premium for the Y over a 3 today. The Y can do it all, carrying people and pets in greater comfort than a 3 or filling up with cargo or light towing. We still hold onto our 2006 ES 330 because I work from home now and we literally only drive the ES 5% of the time (based on annual mileage on both cars). If we replace the ES then I would consider a 3, but only as a secondary car. *Realistically I would prefer a used S/X/Y as a secondary car over a new 3.

For primary family duty the Y serves us better than my previous Model S, let alone a Model 3. Wife never drove my S but takes my Y every chance she can. The Y is a great balance of comfort, range, features, and size. So instead of seeing the extra cost over a 3, I look at the Y as a discounted S experience. I loved my Model S but surprisingly the only thing I miss not having in the Y is the dual screens. So yes, I would easily pick a Y over the 3 at today’s price. The Y is more expensive but still a better value IMO than what the 3 offers for $56K.

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Old May 12, 2022 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FatherTo1
I hadn’t checked prices in a while and our 2021 Long Range Y was less than what a new Long Range 3 costs today.

For primary use I would still pay the premium for the Y over a 3 today. The Y can do it all, carrying people and pets in greater comfort than a 3 or filling up with cargo or light towing. We still hold onto our 2006 ES 330 because I work from home now and we literally only drive the ES 5% of the time (based on annual mileage on both cars). If we replace the ES then I would consider a 3, but only as a secondary car. *Realistically I would prefer a used S/X/Y as a secondary car over a new 3.

For primary family duty the Y serves us better than my previous Model S, let alone a Model 3. Wife never drove my S but takes my Y every chance she can. The Y is a great balance of comfort, range, features, and size. So instead of seeing the extra cost over a 3, I look at the Y as a discounted S experience. I loved my Model S but surprisingly the only thing I miss not having in the Y is the dual screens. So yes, I would easily pick a Y over the 3 at today’s price. The Y is more expensive but still a better value IMO than what the 3 offers for $56K.
Thanks for the detailed reply.

We have a small family of three, and currently have a 2020 RX. So naturally we considered the Model Y when first looking, but after sitting in both and seeing that the 3 seemed to have pretty good amount of luggage space for our needs, I didn't see why we needed to pay more for the 3. The wife, who will be the primary driver, prefers the Y because its taller, but besides that, I don't see what the Y does that the 3 cannot. Though I don't have the specs, upon first glance, interior cabin spaced of the Y didn't feel that much bigger to us.

The prices I saw were 46k for the Model 3 long range and 62k for the Model Y long range. That's a pretty big difference to us.
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Old May 12, 2022 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Thanks for the detailed reply.

We have a small family of three, and currently have a 2020 RX. So naturally we considered the Model Y when first looking, but after sitting in both and seeing that the 3 seemed to have pretty good amount of luggage space for our needs, I didn't see why we needed to pay more for the 3. The wife, who will be the primary driver, prefers the Y because its taller, but besides that, I don't see what the Y does that the 3 cannot. Though I don't have the specs, upon first glance, interior cabin spaced of the Y didn't feel that much bigger to us.

The prices I saw were 46k for the Model 3 long range and 62k for the Model Y long range. That's a pretty big difference to us.
I agree, that’s a significant price delta but that’s comparing the base RWD 3 to the dual motor Long Range Y. In my mind I was comparing LR 3 vs LR Y.

We are also a family of three and, due to the seats being on risers, the Y actually has more second row legroom than a Model X! There is an absurd amount of toe space for you to jam your feet beneath so I can literally straighten my legs (I’m 5’9”) in the backseat of a Y but can’t do it in an X.

True, if you’re happier with RWD and the base 3 range is sufficient then I wouldn’t pay the extra ~$20k for the Y. However, I think it’s a fairer comparison between the LR 3 and LR Y. Too bad Tesla dropped the Standard Range Y but they did just announce the Standard Range Plus Y variant. It isn’t available for order just yet but isn’t a great value considering it has much less range for only a few thousand dollars in savings.

The rear seats of the 3 have improved and received thicker seat cushions and the angle of the rear seat backs isn’t as upright as they used to be, all contributing to greater backseat comfort than before. The 3’s Achilles is the lack of a hatch like the S, X, Y. It severely limits cargo capacity. The Y also has Bioweapon Defense Mode, which is basically an enormous HEPA filter that physically won’t fit in the 3. Not worth the extra $16k though.

Basically, there isn’t anything in the Tesla lineup to compare against the base RWD 3’s price point. It also doesn’t make sense to get a Long Range 3 as you’re better served by the Long Range Y.

I can’t remember if the 3’s rear seats fold down but the Y certainly does and people have camped in their Y. We haven’t slept overnight in the Y but it helps that the 2nd row seats recline a fair degree, similar to my parents’ RX, and is nice on long trips. We also like plugging in an electric cooler in the cargo area of the Y to keep food and drinks cold on trips. The Y also makes it easier to carry bikes on a hitch. But alas, if you already have an RX then the RWD 3 makes more sense. Our other car is a sedan so we wanted the Y to do everything because it would be the main commute/trip/activity vehicle.



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Old May 13, 2022 | 06:38 AM
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For me, if we got a Tesla it would be to replace the van, so we would get a Model Y. Thats one of our vehicle plan options actually, get a 3 row SUV for me like a LWB Range Rover or an X7 or a GLS or something, and get a 3 row Model Y for my wife. Then we would just drive my vehicle on trips instead of hers. A Tesla would be perfect for her. Wouldn't even need to be the Long Range.
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Old May 13, 2022 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by jwong77
We have a small family of three, and currently have a 2020 RX. So naturally we considered the Model Y when first looking, but after sitting in both and seeing that the 3 seemed to have pretty good amount of luggage space for our needs.
The 3 by just looking at it seems roomy. It's sort of a tall car. The Model 3 is by farrrr the most popular Tesla around here, but what sort of puzzles me is that 90% of them are white. I still think it's janky that Tesla (or anyone) charges for red paint but I saw one and it looked amazing, the shade of red. I'd be thrown in jail in 30 minutes with a car that fast and that red, lol.
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Old May 13, 2022 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
The 3 by just looking at it seems roomy. It's sort of a tall car. The Model 3 is by farrrr the most popular Tesla around here, but what sort of puzzles me is that 90% of them are white. I still think it's janky that Tesla (or anyone) charges for red paint but I saw one and it looked amazing, the shade of red. I'd be thrown in jail in 30 minutes with a car that fast and that red, lol.
Its roomy because EVs are packaged better than ICE due to lack of engine in front. It probably has more interior volume than a GS in terms of overall legroom (GS is wider though). 90% of them are white because that color is free. I paid for the Red and since its a Performance it has the red calipers. I have a permanently mounted rader detector and a Waze setup in the car so that helps. Still have a couple tickets though.
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Old May 13, 2022 | 09:04 AM
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Still have a couple tickets though.
Given how you drive the fact you're still a free man is a miracle. In all seriousness it's possible to drive fast and responsibly at the same time.
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Old May 13, 2022 | 09:12 AM
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Given how you drive the fact you're still a free man is a miracle. In all seriousness it's possible to drive fast and responsibly at the same time.
Electric power is addicting. Effortless acceleration without any mechanical guilt (no engine roaring or transmissions shifting). Doesn't even hit the wallet as acceleration doesn't have much impact on range..air resistance is the biggest factor. I highly encourage people to test drive a Tesla.
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Old May 13, 2022 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
Electric power is addicting. Effortless acceleration without any mechanical guilt (no engine roaring or transmissions shifting). Doesn't even hit the wallet as acceleration doesn't have much impact on range..air resistance is the biggest factor. I highly encourage people to test drive a Tesla.
I will once they produce some models without a 20 inch tablet
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Old May 13, 2022 | 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
I will once they produce some models without a 20 inch tablet
There are aftermarket options for driver cluster

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...rument+cluster
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Old May 13, 2022 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
I will once they produce some models without a 20 inch tablet
I have driven one. (the screen in the centre is indeed interesting) The speed is exciting. but build quality is bad. Wind and road noise is bad. No sunshade. or sun roof. and no speedometer in front of the driver
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Old May 13, 2022 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
There are aftermarket options for driver cluster

https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...rument+cluster
All these options add a screen. I don't want another if I have a big 20 inch tablet dominating the entire cabin. Lol
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I have driven one. (the screen in the centre is indeed interesting) The speed is exciting. but build quality is bad. Wind and road noise is bad. No sunshade. or sun roof. and no speedometer in front of the driver
That doesn't surprise me. Tesla is more about tech than building high quality cars.
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