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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
As Elon doing what Elon does, sure. It is how he rolls, still does not make it ok.
That's what choice is for, if Tesla doesn't meet expectations buy something else. Don't see why every time Tesla does something apparently wrong everything about Elon's integrity as a CEO, him personally, and his companies are questioned top to bottom. It's bizarre.
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
That's what choice is for, if Tesla doesn't meet expectations buy something else. Don't see why every time Tesla does something apparently wrong everything about Elon's integrity as a CEO, him personally, and his companies are questioned top to bottom. It's bizarre.
It would be bizarre if it was not questioned when someone makes false promises and statements, especially in publicly traded firm.

And - "if you do not like Elon lying, buy something else" is another bizarre thing, more suited to North Korea type of thinking and not a popular car brand from USA.
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
yeah, my cruise control is set at around 100 MPH when I drive.... so my (and many others) range on highway is not 400 miles, it is 180 miles. As you wrote, consider it from 80% to some 10%-15%.
So I assume that is what people would like - not 550 miles at city speeds, but 300 miles at European highway speeds.

As Elon doing what Elon does, sure. It is how he rolls, still does not make it ok.
Honestly, if i was doing 100+ mph regularly on the highway for long stretches of time, I wouldn't buy a Tesla. An ICE is probably better for that application.
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
It would be bizarre if it was not questioned when someone makes false promises and statements, especially in publicly traded firm.
Toyota promised 4-5 EV's by 2020 are you outraged? Answer me this, do you think every product cancellation is the same thing as lying?
And - "if you do not like Elon lying, buy something else" is another bizarre thing, more suited to North Korea type of thinking and not a popular car brand from USA.
Elon is Kim Jong-un, hot take.
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
You should read some of his biographies, hes somebody I find really fascinating and I've read a lot about him.
i may not remember all the details, but i did read isaacson's 900 page biography so i have some background plus lots of info from being the industry for ages.

Originally Posted by spwolf
It would be bizarre if it was not questioned when someone makes false promises and statements, especially in publicly traded firm.
post of the day.

Originally Posted by LeX2K
Toyota promised 4-5 EV's by 2020 are you outraged? Answer me this, do you think every product cancellation is the same thing as lying?

Elon is Kim Jong-un, hot take.
You should work in tesla's PR department. Oh wait, elon got rid of it, because his twitter account is the PR. Funn you bring up kim jong-un #cultofpersonality
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 05:02 PM
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SW17LS - sidebar on jobs

Jobs saw Pixar as a side project

For Jobs, who sold NeXT to Apple and made a triumphant return to his old company in 1997, Pixar remained something of a side project; day-to-day operations were left to Lasseter and CTO Ed Catmull, the boss only showing up about once per week.
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When he did appear, employees took note of the kinder, gentler Jobs in their presence. The tempestuous CEO who publicly dressed down underlings was all but nonexistent here, replaced by one willing to listen and address potentially embarrassing situations in private.
https://www.biography.com/news/steve...mation-history
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 05:22 PM
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What other off topic things should we talk about?
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 05:29 PM
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Lucid says "hold my beer".

Watch a Lucid Air Run a 9.2 Second Quarter Mile


https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-quarter-mile/
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
You should work in tesla's PR department. Oh wait, elon got rid of it, because his twitter account is the PR. Funn you bring up kim jong-un #cultofpersonality
Closing in on 60,000,000 followers Elon's mind control game is at another level.

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Lucid says "hold my beer".

Watch a Lucid Air Run a 9.2 Second Quarter Mile


https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-quarter-mile/
How long should I hold their beer? Sep 27, 2020
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Old Jun 7, 2021 | 05:37 PM
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It's all a moot point until the Rimac is launched next month and maybe the Roadster next year. These records just starting to get annihilated now that EVs are hitting their stride. These new horsepower wars are glorious
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Old Jun 9, 2021 | 10:09 PM
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So tesla has just announced they're raising the price of the plaid by $10K right before it's first delivery. Does that mean those that pre-ordered pay $10K less than anyone ordering now?

They also raised the Y price but for some reason didn't raise the X Plaid.

https://www.thestreet.com/tesla/news...ery-event-tsla

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Old Jun 9, 2021 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
So tesla has raised the price of the plaid by $10K right before it's first delivery. Does that mean those that pre-ordered pay $10K less than anyone ordering now?
Yeah. The pre-orders still are priced at the original price. The current Model S pre order owners confirmed on their online order sheet. I guess now orders are way more expensive.
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 04:23 AM
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Well that sucks.
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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
You should work in tesla's PR department.
While I respect LeX2K's views as much as those of any other poster, I tend to agree with your statement. He likes the brand as much as I like Buicks.

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Old Jun 10, 2021 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
While I respect LeX2K's views as much as those of any pother poster, I tend to agree with your statement. He likes the brand as much as I like Buicks.
I don't like "brand" I like technology.

So help me clarify the current CL narrative. Tesla loses money on every car, that's bad. Tesla raises prices on cars. That's also bad they should keep losing money. Tesla has dropped prices "40 times" in the last year. That's very bad. Tesla is about to have the fastest production car ever built. That's bad.

What did I miss.
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