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Yes, that's the standard answer that a lot of cops give (I've heard it more than once), but even radios are only of limited usefulness under conditions where criminals and high-powered vehicles can dart away and go almost anywhere.You are right on the button about the police/taxi-love for the Crown Vic and Chevy Caprice....although, no, they would not keep up with a Hemi-Powered Charger.
Anyhow, back to topic, I just wonder how much electrical-draw that 9-second 0-60 time consumes, and how often a Model S Plaid has to be recharged? That kind of power is not going to come without a price.
A full out run will draw 1-2% on the Performance model so probably 2-3% for Plaid. Not that much as acceleration isn't nearly as draining as continuous high speed where it's fighting drag the whole time. This also has a 100kwh battery so probably no worse than the older Model S in terms of recharge costs. Not to mention electricity is dirt cheap and not really a consideration if you can afford a $120k car.
Tesla had been calling Plaid+ reservation holders over the last week or two asking if they were interested in switching to the "regular" Plaid, supposedly because it could be delivered sooner. And now Musk just tweeted that the Plaid+ is canceled, supposedly because the regular Plaid is "so good" that the Plaid+ became redundant.
Except, of course, for the small matter of the much better projected Plaid+ range...
So this is almost certainly a battery issue, and likely an over-promise on their range forecasts...
Canceling the +….Sounds like the there is very low demand for this new updated Tesla S.
I suspect there was likely a lot more demand than you might think. There's really no shortage of people who can and will pay to play, and for its intended market the Plaid+ simultaneously delivered both extreme performance and relative value - because you can't buy anything cheaper that's quicker. The fact is you could spend a lot more and not even come close, performance wise.
The thing here may just be pushing people to the Plaid because it's ready to be sold and delivered this year, and Tesla of course would rather book more slightly lower-value Plaid sales this year rather than defer a slightly higher-valued sale until next year.
Simpler explanation. The 4680 cell won't be produced at the Fremont factory in large scale as they shifted this to Austin which will build Cybertruck and Model Y. I bet it was determined that it was cost prohibitive to build a 4680 version at that old factory. I was surprised they even offered it given they had to retrofit the factory to build this low volume version. I'm guessing they may just repurpose this for Roadster or move Roadster to Austin too
That photo they had was from the Plaid Plus model that was running hot laps at Laguna Seca. That version will run high 8s quarter mile runs and won't be available until next year. Only the slow Plaid version is available this month
not now as elon just announced plaid plus is canceled.
if i had a dollar for every post you've made about the certainty of the coming plaid plus and the bigger batteries, etc...
we don't know that, but it's likely there was little demand in a hugely expensive car so far from actual shipment.
i expect the main reason he announced it's canceled though is because there's little demand for the regular new plaid so he wants more people buying that and not holding out for plaid+ (as LexCTJill has said, trying to avoid Osborne syndrome).
we don't know that, but it's likely there was little demand in a hugely expensive car so far from actual shipment.
i expect the main reason he announced it's canceled though is because there's little demand for the regular new plaid so he wants more people buying that and not holding out for plaid+ (as LexCTJill has said, trying to avoid Osborne syndrome).
Companies do not cancel high in demand products. The whole point of Plaid and Plaid + was to charge more money for an S compared to a regular cheaper S. The plant has not been producing and S cars for a while and the S (or plaid) is already delayed. The gross margin would be huge on the plaid + as it’s double the cost of the long range.
I cannot ever remember where a brand promised a product…and then cancelled it….this would be like Lexus all of sudden cancelling the Lexus IS500 or a Toyota nixing the top spec 4Runner TRD PRO which sits above TRD Off-Road.
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I cannot ever remember where a brand promised a product…and then cancelled it….this would be like Lexus all of sudden cancelling the Lexus IS500 or a Toyota nixing the top spec 4Runner TRD PRO which sits above TRD Off-Road.
i assume even elon musk may occasionally come the conclusion that he's just WAAAAY overcommitted. With a global chip shortage problem, with problems for tesla in china, with them building a giga factory in berlin and texas, don't know what issues associated with moving the corp headquarters out of california (maybe that's behind them), trying to get the cybertruck off the ground (ford and gm may beat them to market with the lightning and hummer, who knows), facing rapidly growing competition on all fronts from traditional and new brands (lucid, rivian, a bunch of chinese makers), maybe fixating on delivering a stupidly fast car with range dependent on a battery system they don't yet make, that will sell in minuscule numbers, isn't the best thing to do.
not now as elon just announced plaid plus is canceled.
if i had a dollar for every post you've made about the certainty of the coming plaid plus and the bigger batteries, etc...
The bigger batteries are coming but in the Cybertruck and Model Y. The Model S Plaid Plus may come in the future if they get enough 4680 but the Roadster will have over 500 miles with the 4680. We will have to make due with the current 400 miles of range in the standard Plaid model. Honestly, how much range do you want in a car? I would be very happy with 400 miles of range. In reality the Model S may get 300 miles if you are purely highway driving but that's excellent for most sports sedans.
The bigger batteries are coming but in the Cybertruck and Model Y. The Model S Plaid Plus may come in the future if they get enough 4680 but the Roadster will have over 500 miles with the 4680. We will have to make due with the current 400 miles of range in the standard Plaid model. Honestly, how much range do you want in a car? I would be very happy with 400 miles of range. In reality the Model S may get 300 miles if you are purely highway driving but that's excellent for most sports sedans.
well, to me that sounds more like broken promises issue and not "how many do you need". Tesla has said car will have 520 miles of range and you could have pre-ordered it. Now it is cancelled, apparently PR was what mattered.
It is also little bit different in Europe, as quite often Tesla drivers drive under the speed limits due to 400 miles of range being more like 250 miles of range at "legal" speeds around here, or even less. My upcoming M3P (range: 352 WLTP) will be able to do around 180 miles at the speed I usually drive (and not get pulled over), so i can tell you that many Europeans would like more range, and not completely change their driving habits.
It is a moot point anyway, i just like how Plaid+ was the best thing ever few months ago and now it does not matter at all.
That kind of power is not going to come without a price.
