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Old Sep 17, 2021 | 01:48 PM
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Not the Plaid that went around the Nurburgring.
This is false information.
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Yes but I'd rather have the more powerful car that would toast them in any other normal driving situations. I'd rather have instantaneous torque and horsepower vs. a better handler. The Plaid is much much much faster than those cars in any other non track situation. I'll take the Plaid please
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This is false information.
The Plaid that went around the Ring was bone stock. YouTube video of it already.
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Old Sep 17, 2021 | 02:38 PM
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The Plaid that went around the Ring was bone stock. YouTube video of it already.
Yep, that's why I pointed out to F1driver that his statement was false.
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Old Sep 17, 2021 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
This is false information.
Some production ICE sedans lap times around the Nurburgring for comparisons:

Jaguar XE SV Project 8 - 7:18.36

Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 63 S - 7:23.01

Porsche Panamera Turbo S - 7:25.04

BMW M5 CS - 7:29.57

Alfa Romeo Giulia QV - 7:32.00
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Yep, that's why I pointed out to F1driver that his statement was false.
And what was the lap time for this production Plaid around the Nurburgring?
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And what was the lap time for this production Plaid around the Nurburgring?
7:35 which is good but obviously behind the leaders. The Plaid though is a pretty softly sprung family sedan so top notch handling is not its forte. Obviously if I put up quarter mile times, the Plaid would smoke them easily but that's what's it's good at. I don't see the point of beating this dead horse. It's doesn't handle as good as the leaders but is faster than all of them in a straight line. So yes, EVs have surpassed ice in some areas
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Weird that it got worse in 2020. Lets hope the new Model S with all new electronics does much better.
My guess is that early Tesla S models have very low data rates as it was really new to market in 2012. Now that the S is established, there probably is more buyers reporting their feedback.



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And what was the lap time for this production Plaid around the Nurburgring?
You said the Plaid that set the EV sedan record on the Nurburgring was not stock. That is not correct.
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My guess is that early Tesla S models have very low data rates as it was really new to market in 2012. Now that the S is established, there probably is more buyers reporting their feedback.


And yet the 2016 S I have has had 2 issues so far - a door handle failed and an electronic suspension control module that failed.

No let's see the CR report on your 4Runner.
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No let's see the CR report on your 4Runner.
‘My older 04 can’t be found.


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‘My older 04 can’t be found.

Awesome!! And yet Tesla cannot make enough cars to meet customer demand. So there's that.
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Originally Posted by EZZ
7:35 which is good but obviously behind the leaders. The Plaid though is a pretty softly sprung family sedan so top notch handling is not its forte. Obviously if I put up quarter mile times, the Plaid would smoke them easily but that's what's it's good at. I don't see the point of beating this dead horse. It's doesn't handle as good as the leaders but is faster than all of them in a straight line. So yes, EVs have surpassed ice in some areas
So, it's a one trick pony? Got it!

Anyone can make a dragster but it takes real engineering to make a car handle a corner.
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You said the Plaid that set the EV sedan record on the Nurburgring was not stock. That is not correct.
Now, you're just putting words in my mouth. I said the Plaid that set a lap around the Nurburgring was not stock. Perhaps, I should have been more specific. I was referring to the Plaid that lapped the Nurburgring in 7 minutes and 13 seconds.
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So, it's a one trick pony? Got it!

Anyone can make a dragster but it takes real engineering to make a car handle a corner.
I could say the same thing about the cars you mentioned. Great handlers but really underpowered for a flagship sedan...one trick pony?

Understandable as IcE is outdated tech.
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