Tesla Model S Plaid
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There aren't that many large sedans that handle better than the Plaid. Yes the Panamera is one. In 99% of other situations, be it on the road, the street, canyons, and not under track situations, the Plaid is faster. Its way easier to utilize high horsepower than handling capability. If thats not your thing, thats fine. Not everyone is out for insane power.
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There aren't that many large sedans that handle better than the Plaid. Yes the Panamera is one. In 99% of other situations, be it on the road, the street, canyons, and not under track situations, the Plaid is faster. Its way easier to utilize high horsepower than handling capability. If thats not your thing, thats fine. Not everyone is out for insane power.
What about the Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door Coupé, specifically the 63S? What about the Jaguar’s XE SV Project 8? Both large ICE sedans with less horsepower than the Plaid and both are faster than the Plaid around a track. And I've said it before, the road isn't always straight.
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What about the Mercedes-AMG GT 4-Door Coupé, specifically the 63S? What about the Jaguar’s XE SV Project 8? Both large ICE sedans with less horsepower than the Plaid and both are faster than the Plaid around a track. And I've said it before, the road isn't always straight.
If you think the Plaid is slow because it didn't beat those cars on the Ring, its your choice.
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The Panamera and those you mentioned above handle better. Again, never said the Plaid was the best handler in its class but just because its worse than those class leaders, doesn't mean it handles bad. Its like me saying those other cars with the 600-700hp is slow because the quarter mile times aren't in the 9s range.
If you think the Plaid is slow because it didn't beat those cars on the Ring, its your choice.
If you think the Plaid is slow because it didn't beat those cars on the Ring, its your choice.
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The Panamera and those you mentioned above handle better. Again, never said the Plaid was the best handler in its class but just because its worse than those class leaders, doesn't mean it handles bad. Its like me saying those other cars with the 600-700hp is slow because the quarter mile times aren't in the 9s range.
If you think the Plaid is slow because it didn't beat those cars on the Ring, its your choice.
If you think the Plaid is slow because it didn't beat those cars on the Ring, its your choice.
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EVs especially performance EVs have made great strides to equal their ICE counterparts. However, as the Plaid shows despite weighing about the same as the ICE cars mentioned and having 1,000 hp performance EVs still have ways to go before they can match and surpass their ICE counterparts.
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On what metric? If you compare Ring times, sure but then what about Laguna Seca where the Plaid has the sedan record. What about the drag strip where the 2 fastest production times are EVs? Sorry but EVs have surpassed ICE in many areas already such as acceleration and performance per dollar. In some areas, ICE will always win such as ultimate handling as petrol will always be more energy dense than batteries and time to refuel but its plain false to say EVs haven't caught up in many areas.
Like I said performance EVs still have ways to go before they can catch up to ICE cars.
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You might want to do some more research before you beat your chest and pump your fist in the air declaring the Plaid has the sedan record at Laguna Seca. The Plaid that ran Laguna Seca was not a street/road legal production car. It ran on slicks and had a stripped out interior. As far as the sedan record at Laguna Seca is concerned the Mercedes-Benz AMG GT 63 S still has the sedan record.
Like I said performance EVs still have ways to go before they can catch up to ICE cars.
Like I said performance EVs still have ways to go before they can catch up to ICE cars.
They've been testing on Seca for awhile and ran an unofficial time of around 1:30. Yes its unofficial but my point is that its about the same as the Mercedes. I would say EVs have easily eclipsed ICEs on the drag. Not even close really for any production car. It is what it is.
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He does mention that EVs haven't reached their ICE counterparts and we've kept it to the Plaid but if you look at the IS500 threads where it only competes with the market leader, the M340, in reality the Model 3 Performance is cheaper than both of those and obliterates them in the 0-60 and quarter mile performance while dominating its class in autocross. Seems like EVs have easily met/surpassed their counterparts in that market segment
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They've been testing on Seca for awhile and ran an unofficial time of around 1:30. Yes its unofficial but my point is that its about the same as the Mercedes. I would say EVs have easily eclipsed ICEs on the drag. Not even close really for any production car. It is what it is.
They've been testing on Seca for awhile and ran an unofficial time of around 1:30. Yes its unofficial but my point is that its about the same as the Mercedes. I would say EVs have easily eclipsed ICEs on the drag. Not even close really for any production car. It is what it is.